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[POLL] Area Response to Komen Reversal Swift

Local responses to Susan G. Komen's reversal are coming in already . Let us add your voice. What do you think?

 

Earlier today, after a crush of negative response to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure announced plan to withdraw further donations to Planned Parenthood, the organization made an abrupt about face– issuing an apology and pledging to restore funding grants used for breast health screenings.

Komen said it will clarify their funding policy to specify that to make clear that "disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political." Planned Parenthood is currently under congressional investigation and Komen cited that proceeding as the reason for discontinuing their support. 

Local voices are already weighing in on the development.

Congresswoman Nita Lowey (D-Westchester/Rockland) today issued the following statement:

I am pleased Susan G. Komen for the Cure has reversed its decision to stop providing grants to Planned Parenthood for breast cancer detection.  The strength of women’s health advocacy is rooted in its nonpartisanship, and there must be no doubt that organizations will stand on the side of awareness, research, treatment, and support – not ideology.

I look forward to continuing to work in partnership with Susan G. Komen for the Cure, Planned Parenthood, and other organizations dedicated to advancing women’s health.

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand tweeted:

Glad to see @KomenForTheCure has apologized and will restore funding of @PPAct! Saving women's lives must be our priority, not politics.

Congressman Eliot Engel (D-Westchester/Rockland/Bronx) criticized the decision on Feb. 1 to withhold grant funding from Planned Parenthood because of the “highly-politicized persecution by the Republican-led House of Representatives.” He released the following statement today: 

“The Komen Foundation deserves credit for changing their mind and choosing to stand up to the political gamesmanship which too often passes for governing in Washington.  Both the Komen Foundation and Planned Parenthood share a mission to improve health care for American women, and to eliminate cancer in our lifetime. Organizations fighting for the same cause need to stand together, and not be wedged apart because of political ideology. While Komen deserves the criticism it received for their initial decision, they deserve credit for swiftly seeing the error of the ways.”

Planned Parenthood Hudson Peconic, who expressed disappointment at Komen's original withdrawal, quickly reacted to Susan G. Komen's change of heart on their Facebook page:

The outpouring of support online for Planned Parenthood and women in need of breast cancer screenings has been astonishing, and because of it, the PP Breast Health Fund has received more than $3 million from thousands of people across the country in only three days. Every dollar we received for this fund will go directly for breast exams and diagnostic services, as well as breast health outreach and education. And now with the Komen announcement, even more women will receive lifesaving breast cancer care! We look forward to continuing our partnership with Komen partners, leaders and volunteers, and supporters like YOU. Thank you so much for your voice and for standing with us!!

Less than 20 minutes ago, the Susan G. Komen for the Cure organization released the following statement:

Statement from Susan G. Komen Board of Directors and Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker

We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women’s lives.

The events of this week have been deeply unsettling for our supporters, partners and friends and all of us at Susan G. Komen. We have been distressed at the presumption that the changes made to our funding criteria were done for political reasons or to specifically penalize Planned Parenthood. They were not.

Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair.

Our only goal for our granting process is to support women and families in the fight against breast cancer. Amending our criteria will ensure that politics has no place in our grant process. We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities.

It is our hope and we believe it is time for everyone involved to pause, slow down and reflect on how grants can most effectively and directly be administered without controversies that hurt the cause of women. We urge everyone who has participated in this conversation across the country over the last few days to help us move past this issue. We do not want our mission marred or affected by politics – anyone’s politics.

Starting this afternoon, we will have calls with our network and key supporters to refocus our attention on our mission and get back to doing our work. We ask for the public’s understanding and patience as we gather our Komen affiliates from around the country to determine how to move forward in the best interests of the women and people we serve.

We extend our deepest thanks for the outpouring of support we have received from so many in the past few days and we sincerely hope that these changes will be welcomed by those who have expressed their concern.

 
  • What do you think of Komen's Reversal?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • It was the right call. They had a PR disaster on their hands.
        303 (65%)
    • They should have stood their ground. Now they have lost credibility.
        133 (28%)
    • I'd like to find out more about their decision to reconsider.
        24 (5%)
    Total votes: 460
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Related Topics: Breast Cancer, Planned Parenthood, and Susan G Komen for the Cure

Mike

3:07 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

good now maybe that phoney mike bloomberg will give the $250k to an organziation that really needs money.

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Mike

5:01 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

@BR- lighten up pal. The point is Bloomberg is as prochoice as they come accept when it comes to allowing NYers to smoke, eat and drink sugary foods and now I belive he wants to stop you from eating high cholesterol foods. Get it now- a phoney when it comes to allowing people to choose. Geez Relax -its Friday go get a beer and some greasy cheese fries while you still can :)

Jenga

3:47 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Doesn't really seem to be the "pr disaster" it's been made out to be- donations to Komen have been up 100% in the past 2 days- looks like a media-made outrage to me.As usual the Lib's bark loudly.

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Steve G

4:22 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Mike and Elmer, apparently the two of you are not hard working, minimum wage earning women who are not covered by any health insurance policies. Millions of women's lives rely on the free health screenings provided by the Planned Parenthood organization. How's the view from up there on those high horses?

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Mike

5:09 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Steve G- You are right on two points I am not a woman and I am not a minimum wage earner, but I fail to see how that disqualifies me from expressing my opinion. Now if you hold ona second, let me get the ladder to get off my high horse. BTW, you do know that the vast majority of PP clinics dont even have mamography machines. If you look at their own data they show a paltry amount of breast cancer service works. So even if you were "poor" the likelihood of going to a PP for such services is quite minimal. This was part of the original rationales Koemen was applying in looking to give their $$$ where they felt it would have the higest impact for BREAST CANCER patients.

charles dumas

4:26 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Planned Parenthood has little to do with health and everything to do with elective surgery called abortion. The termination of a childs life.

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Mike

5:06 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

BR -you obviously have not atken my advice- go get a beer and calm down and use appropriate language or stop commenting. Be an adult

Sharon Sutherland

4:27 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

The komen organization should get rid of the right wing zealot they hired. Patriarchal religious fanatics should not be making decisions regarding womens health. So sad that in this day and age our politics are based on religion and not sound, scientific principles.

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michael

4:35 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

planned parenthood has nothing to do with fighting breast cancer ; they kill young life ; period ....

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Sharon Sutherland

4:50 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

How would you know? Have you ever been there? If you think abortion is wrong then don't have one! But what other people do is not your business!

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Mike

5:09 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me

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michael

6:52 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

SORRY ! but I do respect life ...

Scott Walters

5:06 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

My shoes were laced, but now they are not.

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ammiel schwartz

5:17 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

I sent this email to the local NYC chapter of Komen this morning:
I sent you this letter last night. I see Komen has reversed its public posture. I doubt if anything at the national internal level has changed an iota. You should insist on maximal repair of harm done by rehiring those who resigned in protest and exposing miscreants.
They have opened a can of worms and turned a very strong spotlight on all the internal workings of the organization and it will be a very long road before you restore your lustre, if ever.
Sadly Ammiel

I am a retired OB-GYN who has supported you many times in the past. I have also supported Planned Parenthood locally and nationally.
I am surprised and saddened by the national Komen foundation's decision to defund PP. You are both considered some of the few national organizations supporting women for their own sake and for their right to control their own bodies and destinies. The national organization has caved to those who wish to remove that self control and return women to the state of chattel. You really should not be in a race to the cure, but rather in the race to prevent breast cancer. Planned parenthood has contributed mightily to finding and preventing breast cancer, especially for women of limited resources.
I am appalled that you could find yourselves against them.
Please consider separating the local chapter from the national.

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Mike

5:22 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

since you are a retired doctor, can you spell out for us how PP has "contributed mightily to finding and preventing breast cancer, especially for women of limited resources. ". When I look at their own data from their own website, I see very limited resources being used to treat or resrach a cure for breast cancer. I do see the majority of their funds used for reporoductive services. Thanks for your explanation doc

Lena M Fontaine

5:32 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

I was very pleased to see that PP is going to expand breast cancer screening through the outpouring of donations they've received over the last few days.
I already knew that they offer many services such as physicals, GYN services, birth control and counseling (abortions are only a portion of what they do). Since they have many clinics throughout the country and are accessible to all income levels, more cancer screening will be a great addition to the preventative care they already offer!

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Mike

5:35 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Lena, you need mammography machines to do breast cancer screening thoroughly and the vast majority of PP clinics don't have them so how will they expand this particular service? Is there a source you can point us to that verifies this plan? Thanks

chris

5:33 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

The Komen charity has quite a number of expensive mouths to feed. Apparently, it believes that charity begins at home.

In the year ending April, 2011, the salary and benefits bill at Komen was $50,730,864 -- up $6 million from 2010.

Here are some of the major recipients:

Elizabeth Thompson- President
Katrina McGhee- Executive Vice President, Chief Marketing Officer
Mark E. Nadolny- Chief Financial Officer
Karen Handel - Senior Vice President, Public Policy***
Carol Corcoran - Senior Vice President, Affiliate Network
Margo K. Lucero - Vice President, Business Development and Partnerships
Julie Teer - Vice President, Development
Katie Rohlman - Vice President, Human Resources
Nancy Macgregor - Vice President, Global Networks
David Dawson - Vice President, Information Technology
Leslie Aun - Vice President, Marketing and Communications
Chandini Portteus - Vice President, Research, Evaluation and Scientific Programs
Diana Rowden - Survivorship & Outcomes Vice President

***The failed Republican politician from Georgia who started all problems about Planned Parenthood.

The damage is done. I for one will now donate directly to Planned Parenthood. Komen is off the list. They have shown their agenda -- and it's political, not charitable.

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ammiel schwartz

6:34 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Planned Parenthood does well woman exams and breast exams and family planning in its local offices for no or very modest fees. If they find something that needs surgery they refer to a surgeon, if a mammogram is indicated they are referred for one. They do not have those facilities in the local offices, this is why you do not see them expensed. They are often the only medical contact these women have. They save lives by finding problems early and by advising how problems can be avoided.
No one, I repeat no one is "pro abortion" It is much, much better to not have an unwanted pregnancy, and PP does a great job doing that.
Ammiel

Mike

6:40 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Dr Scwartz- appreciate your update. Based upon what you are saying, however, it appears that PP really does a minmimal job in terms of breast cancer screening and that in fact most woman who are poor or with no insurance would receive no added benefit by going here for breast cancer care. I think this was the main issue that Koemen had in decding how to use its resources. I think they made a wise choice initially, but have since been hammered hard by the PC police they have backtracked. I would much rather have seen their donations and in fact that of Mayor Bloomberg to go to local health clinics where real hands on care takes place.

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ammiel schwartz

6:56 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

They do the standard breast cancer screen: examination of the breasts, teach self-exam, and if indicated by age and exam findings arrange a mammogram. One of the reasons given by Komen for defunding is that they did not do the surgery or X-Ray, so they did not do the complete job and their money should go to that end. To require this would essentially make routine exams unreachable by many people as only large institutions would fill their criteria. Those institutions charge very much money for any contact. If the patient could not afford these bills (huge,as anyone who has been to a hospital ER can testify) *YOU* will pay that bill.

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Steve G

8:00 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Mike so you consider 750,000 breast exams last year minimal? That's always the first step my wife's doctor takes before he recommends any additional procedures. Mammography is not a necessary procedure for all women for all of their doctor visits. If we didn't have good health care coverage I'd send my wife and daughters to planned parenthood for care. You're right though that we do need more and better funded local health clinics in this country for under privilaged women.

ammiel schwartz

7:03 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

It goes without saying that the vast majority of women who are seen do *not* require surgery and many do not need a mammogram at that time. To say that each local clinic should have a fully staffed operating room and Xray, CAT scan and MRI machines standing by is absurd and expensive beyond imagination. They are serving women of limited means, mostly without insurance and possibly transportation to a big center. Think of the "safety net"

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Jesse

7:23 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

I have to laugh at the polticians who say that decisions like these shouldn't be political. EVERYTHING they do is political, and usually based on polling information. These politicians should practice what they preach.

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John B

8:44 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

You sure got that right.

Jenga

7:59 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

329,455 abortions a year- weather your pro-choice or not- who can be proud of that.

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Sheila Schraier

8:50 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

It is a shame that Komen has decided to cave to political pressure, as they WERE an important org. Politics has no place in health care. For many poor women or for those who have no health coverage Planned Parenthood is their source for affordable wellness care. It is 97% of the work that they do. & Komen did not really retract what they said; they said they would honor their present commitments. & women are in the crosshairs, again.

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Scotty

8:50 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

No one is proud about abortions Elmer...people just disagree on the issue. I personally find abortions to be a sin..legal murder..endorsed by our government but I will support anyone who disagrees till the day I die because we can disagree and co -exist. And it's "whether" not "weather" .

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Jenga

9:25 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Isn't Komen a private charity? Isn't PP funded in large part by the Gov't? I support whatever Komen wants to do for whatever the reason. And, I'd like some more say in how PP spends MY tax dollars.

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A.D.

9:35 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

While I am happy and relieved to see that Komen reversed their proposal (it means they're listening to the public), my disappointment in the organization's initial proposal has not faded. The recent reversal just seems as though they're trying to politically cover themselves up, rather than show actual care for women's health. They've released too many contradicting statements about whether or not their first decision had to do with their views on the political battle over a woman's right to choose.
To those who praise Komen's initial decision, I cannot disagree more. Supporting women's health should be a no brainer to politicians and organizations! People need to realize that only about 3% of Planned Parenthood's work is in abortion care. The vast majority is in contraception and other preventive care. They are working hard to educate people about sex so we can reduce the number of abortions and unplanned pregnancies! Planned Parenthood provides incredible health care to millions of people who would otherwise be unable to attain it and that is something I can wholeheartedly support.

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notbob

11:19 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

In 2010 329,445 abortions and 841 adoption referrals.
Mostly Planned Parenthood aborts the children of the poor, usually black or brown children, exactly in line with the views and goals of the founder Margaret Sanger.

Planned Parenthood aborting minority children since 1942!!!

It is really interesting that it's biggest supporters are well off, suburban white women, who usually keep their own children. What is up with that? A brave sociologist or even a psychologist could probably have a field day with that research.

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notbob

11:57 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Here are statistics from NYC that prove the minority numbers: http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2009sum.pdf
Here are the statistics on the abortion to adoption referrals ratio from Planned Parenthood:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf
Here is a quote from Margaret Sanger:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." (Margaret Sanger to Clarence Gamble, October 19, 1939, Sanger Smith Collection, quoted in Linda Gordon, Woman's Body, Woman's Right: Birth Control in America, second edition [New York: Penguin Books, 1990,] 332-33)
Source 1 is the City of New York, Source 2 is from Planned Parenthood itself, and source 3 is a direct quote from Margaret Sanger.
The statistics and the history of the organization prove that Planned Parenthood is an organization whose function is to abort minority children. It also does other things that are useful to any woman, but the fact is it specializes in the abortions of minority children, or would you prefer that sentence to read minority fetuses instead of minority children.

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Lena M Fontaine

7:01 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

To put the abortion statistics in perspective: by your own source three percent of Planned Parenthood services were abortions. That leaves 97 percent of their services that include things like contraceptives (33.5 percent of services) and cancer screening (14.5 percent of services).
Your NYC minority numbers are a bit skewed since that's not a representative slice of America and certainly don't speak to your claim that well off suburban white women don't have abortions.
As for Margaret Sanger's quote, she appears to disavow extermination of the "negro population". If you can find her entire speech so that this sentence is in context and proves your point, please do so. (And, of course, I would like to point out that nothing has changed in the world since 1939.)
Suburban white women were often college students at one point and have used the low cost services of Planned Parenthood once the parents' insurance no longer provided coverage. It is also difficult to be a supporter if you are not well off. Well off suburban women are the ones who have the means to give financial support and will choose a cause that speaks to them. The right to govern your own body is very important to most women. The right to low cost healthcare services should be very important to everyone. Planned Parenthood concentrates on preventative services. Can you give me an alternate low cost health care agency for women should Planned Parenthood no longer exist?

Sheila Schraier

11:24 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Where did you find those statistics? Wikipedia, where just about anyone can write anything? An unbiased source?

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Sheila Schraier

11:31 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

How do you know the ethic background of those abortions? You will still find that it is only 3% of the medical services they provide to mostly poor women. You make it sound as if their mission were ethnic cleansing, which it is not. Many females who use their services are not black or brown, but poor or w/o medical coverage, something which our health care bill will eventually put an end to.

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notbob

12:23 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Here are the statistics which are found on page 88 of the NYC document in table 4.19:
Hispanic termination of pregnancy 2000-2009 291,868
Black termination of pregancy 2000-2009 383,270
White termination of pregancy 2000-2009 90,023
Total Minority abortions 2000-2009 720,551 (inlcuding Asian and Pacific Islanders)
Total abortions all 2000-2009 907,211
As I was adding up these numbers this quote from Stalin kept coming back to me, "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic".

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Mike

1:22 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

@notbob-very telling and sad stats. Clearly shows what PP is all about. Also when you look at heir revenue they make an awful lot of money providing abortions-it's a real money maker for them. Conversely , they make little if any for adoption referrals. See a link.

CK

11:58 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

And here's a trailer to a documentary film that goes deeper into what Komen is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3QPZfcYTUaA

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MA

2:07 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Per the Susan G. Komen website:

"Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair.

Our only goal for our granting process is to support women and families in the fight against breast cancer. Amending our criteria will ensure that politics has no place in our grant process. We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities."

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MA

2:17 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Planned Parenthood was under investigation by Republican Senators because they perform abortions, not for any other reason.

Susan G. Komen funded PP only for it's Breast Cancer Research- however nominal it may be, it was deemed worthy of monetary support .

Karen Handle behaved irresponsably, inappropriately and unprofessionally. Her remarks were personal and political and for that she should be relieved of her position with SGK, immediately and with no severance.

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notbob

9:02 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Planned Parenthood is under investigation by Representative Cliff Stearns, a Florida Republican and chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee.
They are investigating whether Planned Parenthood uses Federal Grant Money to fund abortions, which is against current Federal Law.
Should the proper use of Federal Grant Money be investigated, or is it OK to just send a check and forget it?
There is no doubt that Cliff Sterans is a pro-life Congressman, so it is upsetting to him that he and his constituents, whose interests he represents, are paying for something that they don't believe in and consider the murder of a living child.
Personally, I undertand that people have differences as to whether a zygot or a fetus is a child or not, (as a matter of fact I am pro-choice) however it is not right that a religious person has to fund something that is abhorrently against their beliefs, especially when Federal law is suppossed to pretect them from just such a thing.

Jenga

9:00 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

It's obvious what the statistics show- certain groups don't have the family unit in place to enable them to make good choices- and they are further rewarded ( which completes the neverending cycle ) by all of the social programs that encourage them not to work. For these lowlife animals, abortion IS birth control.

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Jenga

9:05 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

I am in the service industry and work in "poor" neighborhoods all the time- I see it with my own eyes- no father or many times mother in the picture, grandparents raising them, sometimes they raise each other, all they are taught to respect is material crap like cars, Ipads, $300 sneakers etc. I walk into dirty, horrible disgusting houses all of the time- but I frequently see a 52" LCD tv, surround sound system, xbox and a BMW out front. I also can't help but see the medical bills and welfare checks strewn about either. You know why in large part this happens? because people are very liberal with OTHER peoples money- it's very easy to be "compassionate" when your allocatiing billions of other peoples money.

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Can't we all just get along

9:52 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Alot of pp don't do abortions. Woman need to get yearly exams and the majority don't have health care or any other place to go for their womanly issues. I am pro choice, but I don't believe in using abortions as a form of birth control and the funds received should be use for exams, testing, and education. Maybe if everyone pays full price for a terminating a pregnancy they would think twice about using birth control! Imaging all those babies born using, government funds for doctor visits, hospital fee, wic, food stamps, and welfare.

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Mike

10:00 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Yes I do often wonder about all those babies who were never born. The ones that could have been inventors, doctors, scientists, and others who could have contributed to our society. Too bad they were not given a choice.

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CK

10:15 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Don't lose sleep over it, Mike. Born to that social strata that's so clearly addicted to endless entitlements, they would have just been a further drain on your all too precious tax dollar. One less liberal to vote for the socialists overrunning this country, I say. Though it would have been nice to have seen them safely through birth so we could ship them off to the middle east to die for us, later. Or watch 'em fry when they inevitably shoot a cop. Shame, actually.

Don Bartolo

10:16 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Isn’t this odd? All those that are speaking out so adamantly about being Anti-Abortion are male. One would think that until you’ve had a uterus you would defer to the female of the species. Aside from all that, this particular money was earmarked for breast examinations which have absolutely nothing to do with abortion. I for one applaud this reversal. There are too many women in this country who cannot afford healthcare and use Planned Parenthood for all their well woman care. Gentlemen, there is no place for politics in healthcare.

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Mike

10:43 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Tell that to your Furer, oops I meant your dear leader BHO

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Watchdog

10:59 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

PP dies not do Mamigrams. They make their money, a lot of it by charging for abortions, primarily on minorities.

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Watchdog

11:01 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

What about the Father Herby? A woman cannot have a baby alone. Part of the father is also being killed.

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Don Bartolo

12:04 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Watchdog,
97% of what Planned Parenthood does is well woman care. The 3% which includes Abortion is prohibited from using Federal Funds and relies on private contributions.
One could make an argument that the father's fetus is being aborted but it would be an empty argument at best and probably left for another day. I'm not delusional enough to think I could ever change your mind so I'll stay on point. The point of this article is funding from the Koman Foundation that was used for cancer screening and in particular breast cancer which is Koman's mission. Even if you believe and I'm sure you do that women should not have the right of choice, do you believe that they must let cancer go undetected because they can't afford an examination? By the way, Planned Parenthood also provides contraception which actually prevents unwanted pregnancy thus reducing the amount of abortions. Perhaps if we actually had universal healthcare, then Planned Parenthood would become irrelevant, but right now they are badly needed particularly by the poor.

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Mike

1:51 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

@Herbert- talk about a specious argument. So a male cannot have an opinion on abortion just because he is male? So I guess the same would hold true in your eyes for every other charcaterstic that human beings have. So an African American should not have any opinion on whites and vice -versa under your argument? Secondly, but more importantly before you and the other zealous defenders of PP spew back their data do some research and think on your own. You and others say that only 3% of PP is abortion services. If you look at their own data from their website you will see that the number is actually 12%. They did over 330,000 abortions and indicae they took care of 3 million patients. Math does not lie does it.Further, according to Tait Sye, national spokeswoman of Planned Parenthood, 63 of the more than 800 Planned Parenthood facilities in America provide the option of prenatal care to pregnant clients—that’s 7.8% of the clinics. On the other hand, 321 of the clinics—about 40%— provide abortion services, and every one refers for abortion, according to Planned Parenthood’s website. Perhaps the most blatant display of Planned Parenthood’s abortion-first agenda can be found by looking into the types of services they provide pregnant clients— 332,278 (97.6%) of Planned Parenthood’s pregnant clients obtain abortions, while 7,021 (2.1%) of them received prenatal care, and 977 (.3%) did adoption referrals through Planned Parenthood. Facts are facts.

notbob

10:38 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Abortion by Gender:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13264301
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1972351

Abortion is much tougher for girls than it is for boys throughout much of the world.
In the US Planned Parenthood is used to abort minority children and in the rest of the world abortion is used to eliminate unwanted female children.
I understand the right to chose abortion and believe in it, there are just so many difficult and frankly, troubling issues that go with that right.

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Bill

11:07 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Not about abortion, you goose.

Bill

11:06 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

There should be resignations at the top at Komen.

What are other, comparable research fundraisers. Komen is damaged goods for me?

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maria johnson

11:51 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Nancy Brinker as all Republicans has been deluded to think that they can get away with whatever they want given the power of money. We have proven again that the people will stand up to injustice. This is a microcosm to the macro of what is really going on out there. May it be an example to all of us to fight the fight, and not give up.

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Don Bartolo

1:26 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Maria, I'm with you.
It amazes me that it took so long for everyone to wake up.
As to the ill advised "investigation" that started it all it should be noted that it has turned up exactly zero incidents where Planned Parenthood used federal funding for any prohibited purpose.
Maybe it's time for NOW and Planned Parenthood to have another march on Washington and let them know we are united.

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ammiel schwartz

1:36 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Among the reasons why these statistics are so ethnically skewed, besides the population they are from, is that women of means have their abortions performed in private offices and clinics. It is a legal procedure and those who can afford it go to more attractive venues. PP statistics are a measure of relative poverty. The fact that there are fewer caucasians in their statistics does *not* mean they whites are having fewer abortions, in fact most statistics indicate they have more.

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Sheila Schraier

2:07 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

It is strange that most of the comments are from males. I remember when abortion was not legal. That did not stop abortions-it only led to more deaths & permanent injuries for the women who had them anyway. It is not an easy choice, & women who have them often suffer from guilt for a long time. It is the business of the woman, her health care provider & in most cases the father,& no one else. If your religion prohibits it, don't have one. My religion does not, so any legislation or loss of funding that restricts abortions impinges on my religious freedom. How is it that the people who rail against too much govt. are the same ones who feel govt. belongs in people's bedrooms? (& govt. funding is NOT used by PP for abortions. It is illegal. That money has to come from other sources, mainly donations.) The ultra-right wing only cares about the child until it is born, then let's cut funding for poor women & children for food & other necessities. & while we're at it let's do away with contraception too, so women are truly forced to have unwanted children. Is it not better that every child born into this world be wanted, & the family able to provide for it?

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Mike

2:20 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

the federal dollars given are so fungible that there is no way to say that are not used to support abortions. Even if PP could absolutely account for every dollar and how it was spect, the mere fact that they receive millions of federal dollars in one place frees p funds for the other services. Further, you do a grave diservice and mislead women when you appear to indicate that abortions today are risk free. Many studies have been done in peer reviwed medical jornals to indicate there are many risks and severe potentail complications.. And please show us where funding for poor women and children is occuring. Rather than rhetoric provides data and facts.

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ammiel schwartz

2:32 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Ms. Schraier. I applaud your note.
It is interesting that this whole brouhaha which nominally started about women's rights to take care of her own body above the waist very quickly evolved into whether a woman has rights to control her own body below the waist.
We need another Betty Ford to bring this discussion into the light.

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Don Bartolo

2:42 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Mike,
I'm sorry, I never wanted to imply that you could not have an opinion on anything.
What I meant was your opinion needs to stop where someone else's rights begin.
Using your argument that giving them tax dollars for non-abortion related services frees up money to use for abortions is nonsensical. Under this measure, paying your hospital bills when you're a patient frees up the hospital to do the same thing, but yet you probably pay your bill either through insurance or your own pocket.
What is it that drives everyone nuts about this issue? It's simple. Don't believe you should have an abortion; don't. Why do we feel the need to control other people. I've saw what happened when abortion was illegal. Rich people still got them and poor people died.

Sheila Schraier

4:39 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Herbert, so are so correct. Anyone is entitled to have an opinion in this country. What you are not entitled to do is control other people's choices, especially when it is on this issue & you are male. You guys just have no idea. Talk about personal liberty & then make such super-personal decisions for people? I think not.

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Watchdog

4:48 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

The baby being killed in an abortion is as much the baby of the father as it is the baby of the mother who chooses to murder her child.

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Mike

5:06 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

ok so then why has obama just forced religious intsitutions to provide for contraceptive services including abortions??? It is there choice-in fact their religiously held belief not to do so, but Hussein Obama is infriningupon thier consciences and their Constitutional right to ptactice their relgion. As ususal the liberal double standard in play

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CK

5:50 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Actually, the mandate only requires Catholic colleges, hospitals and charitable groups to offer a health insurance program (to their students or employees) that offers these contraceptive options. It is still up to the individual whether they take advantage of the option or not. Think of it like Eve in the Garden of Eden. The apple is there as a temptation, but we all know anyone with a decent relationship with God would never take advantage of such options. Obamacare is merely offering up a test to Catholic free-will. If you have nothing to hide, why would you object??

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Mike

5:51 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

The statement that no one will be forced to buy it is false.Women who want contraception will be able to obtain it without co-pay or deductible precisely because women who do not want contraception will be forced to help pay for it through their premiums.This mandate passes costs from those who want the service, to those who object to it.

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CK

5:54 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Gotchya... sort of like how the costs of the Iraq / Afghanistan wars are passed on to me. Good point.

Watchdog

4:59 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Majority of babies killed in abortions by PP are minorities and IMO That makes them a Racist Organization.

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CK

5:26 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Why are you working against your own self interest, Watchdog? Every minority baby aborted by PP means one less welfare mother leeching off the system. Isn't that what you want? I say give PP more funding. It will save us god fearing taxpayers more money in the long run!!

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Issy

5:29 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Actually not, abortions demographics pretty much reflect the population as a whole. A typical women getting an abortion is white, Christian, in her 20's, already having a child, and at or near the poverty level. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

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Steve G

6:27 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

I agree your assessment CK. The same people complaining about killing babies by tax payer funded abortions are screaming about their tax dollars being squandered on welfare babies. Conservative zealots are never happy.

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Mike

6:33 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Please point to one post here where the so called conservative zealots said they would not use their tax dollars to help the poor. Ironically the very instition that is constantly bashed for its stance on abortion- the Catholic Church- provide more aid, care and services to the poor in this country and world wide than PP and Komen combined.

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Watchdog

7:12 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

CK, your comments, assuming that all minority mothers seeking abortions are on welfare, are dispicable and Racist.

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Watchdog

7:15 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Issu, pay attention, we are talking about abortions performed by PP which are close to 90% minorities. Please focus, it s a waste of time and energy to continually correct comments.

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Watchdog

7:18 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Steve, who are these mysterious people, certainly not the Catholic Church who care for more unwed mothers, welfare clients and AIDS afflicted then you can possibly count.

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notbob

10:08 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Issy's statistics do not support his theory, they prove the opposite of of what he contends.
Non-Hispanic Whites = 64.7% of the population and have 36% of all abortions
Blacks = 12.9% of the population yet have 30% of all abortions
Hispanics = 16.7% of the population and have 25% of all abortions
The abortion demographics do not reflect the demographics of the country as a whole. The abortion statistics reflect the fact that abortions eliminate more minority children as a percentage of their own populations and if you add the Hispanics and Blacks together they account for 55%, or more than half, of the abortions, yet are are only 29.6% of the overall population.
Margaret Sanger would be proud of these statistics.

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Watchdog

10:54 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Issy unfortunately presents a link which actually refutes his point. This is common with Issy and when you call him on it his last retort will be something like "keep watching FOX NEWS or hannity etc., just like CK did after he made those Racist comments about Minirity women. They really have no answers.

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CK

11:25 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Hey Watchdog, can you please help me? I don't see how the stats in Issy's link refute his point. My brain's been turned to mush watching too much Rachel Maddow. (Tip: next time attack the legitimacy of the linked data -- as in who the heck is Guttmacher and how much is Soras funding them? Also that the stats there are about abortion in general, not PP specifically which is the case you're arguing. Jeesh, do I have to do all the work for you guys?)

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Watchdog

12:29 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

CK, read my comment posted at 7:16PM. Now wipe the egg off your face.

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CK

5:47 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Not sure why I need to wipe egg of my face, Watchdog. I asked you to point something out and you obliged (I guess). Thank you. While I didn't find a 7:16pm post from you, in reviewing the thread I found notbob's links which were most helpful and seem to indicate Issy's stats are a little misleading.

notbob, you say Margaret Sanger would be proud. Not sure that's exactly true. While she was a huge proponent of contraception (for admittedly politically incorrect reasons) from what I understand she did not approve of abortion. Consider this from Wikipedia "Sanger was opposed to abortions, both because they were dangerous for the mother, and because she believed that life should not be terminated after conception. In her book Woman and the New Race, she wrote, "while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization." So I am not so sure she'd be proud of the PP abortion stats (which, btw, only represent 3% of the services rendered there). Thanks for supplying helpful links.

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Issy

7:33 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

The statistic I posted show that abortions reflect demographics of women at or near the poverty line.

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notbob

9:44 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Issy you are still not correct when you state, "...abortions demographics pretty much reflect the population as a whole.", unless you are reffering to a study that you have not provided a link for. Your posted study still refutes your contention, or to be charitable does not support your contention.
The statistics reflected in the Guttmacher study nowhere breaks down the demographics by income level and minority status:
This is the relevant study: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/US-Abortion-Patients.pdf
It does measure income level and it does measure race, but there is no study that combines race, income level, and abortion in the link you provided.
Find that study and post it, if you have it.

Jenga

6:34 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

If planned parenthood provides this massive amount of medical services than why in the heck did we need Bamacare? Sounds like they've got most of it covered

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Jesse

7:09 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Why is it that Komen, which is privately owned, should be forced by anyone to put money where they choose not to?? Why should the govt., I.E. the Senate, feel they can force this company to donate, or not donate THEIR money?

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Watchdog

7:23 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Good question. Inserting political views is a mistake. Komen and Breast Cancer contributions will suffer as a result.

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CK

7:34 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Exactly Watchdog! This all started because Karen Handel, a well-known GOP pro-lifer, who became Public Policy Director at Komen, let her political views (and long-standing animosity towards Planned Parenthood) affect Policy at Komen. She used her office to go after her nemesis and initiated the suspension of PP funding. If only she hadn't inserted her political views... thanks for clearing that up.

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CK

7:36 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

PS: @JLS No one is legislating how Komen divvies up its funds. It is free to fund or not fund its programs at Planned Parenthood (none of which involve abortions) anyway they like. What's happened is they've made a business decision based on the feedback of their donators and volunteers. You know. The free market at work. Ayn would be so proud. The market forced them to reverse their decision. Not the evil Democrats or Obamacare.

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Watchdog

7:41 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

CK, your comments suggesting all minorities seeking abortion are welfare mothers is dispicable and Racist.

Mark

7:46 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

It's people like CK that have destroyed the compassion of this country. I find ignorant people like this are worthless and despicable.

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CK

7:59 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

tee hee... you guys are so classic Sean/Rush. When you can no longer debate the issue, you resort to name calling and discrediting your "caller". I'm proud how well you guys follow the playbook! Go Fox!

Sheila Schraier

8:13 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Gentleman, the last time I checked abortion was (still) legal in this country. It's obviously an issue you have never had to confront personally, so you feel you can yap about it & use insults towards those who disagree. If women feel they need an abortion, no matter what their ethnicity they will attempt to get one-again, it is a PERSONAL choice. Some states now have only 1 provider for the entire state. No organization goes door to door soliciting abortions. So if abortion goes against your personal beliefs, tough. Don't get one, but women still have the right to CHOOSE to get one if they feel it is nec. One candidate wants to prohibit them even in the case of rape or incest, which is too despicable for words. You have no idea what drives a woman to seek out an abortion. It's time to stop the insults & nastiness.

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Watchdog

9:08 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Then, it must be equally obvious tat you have never given birth to a beautiful, living child that you are so intent on murdering. That baby whom you are murdering has a father as well as a mother. What give you the right to take away the life of a fathers child?

Watchdog

9:14 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Sheila, can you point out the " insults" because I see none. BTW no products are sold door to door. 90% of PP abortions are minorities which IMO makes it a racist organization.

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Don Bartolo

9:37 am on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Watchdog,
You keep speaking of the male and his rights, but in this case that's not what it's about. You see it's the female who is pregnant and has a fetus growing inside her. All logic and compassion tells me that it is she who faces the decision and in reality she faces it alone. No one in this forum, not the most vocal of you, would ever suggest that a man should not get a vasectomy and I'm sure all would state that it's his right even though that simple act would kill millions of virtual lives. As a man, I think it is long over due for us to acknowledge that women are our equals in every way. They've certainly proven that over the years. Well now it is time for us to respect that.

There are forces in this country that are waging a war on women. I have no idea why but they want to start with abortion because it's an emotional issue but they've already begun to ban contraception and it concerns me deeply. Don't support these zealots. It's not good for women and it will ultimately be bad for men.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't feel bad if someone you've impregnated gets an abortion. If you think these women don't feel bad then you've never dealt with it on a personal level.
Put your anger aside for a while before you respond to this email. Anger isn't the answer.

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Watchdog

12:28 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

HERB, you cannot be serious with that. No one is waging war against wmoen, no one said women arenotequal to men, you made that up. comparing a mans Vasectomy toan abortioni is plain crazy ( what the hell is a virtual life? Some lib claptrap? ) and the only anger I feel is because an innocent life is taken in an abortion. You shouldbe ashamed of yourself, supporting the murders of innocent babies.

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ammiel schwartz

1:09 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

I know this will probably change no minds, but as a young doctor who had to deliver a 12 year old girl made pregnant by her brother who was home for a weekend from reform school back in the pre-Roe days *that* made up my mind there should have been another way.
I trained at Bellevue Hospital in the 1950's and saw scores of women who "fell down the stairs" and were septic or hemorrhaging . No one has the right to grow inside of another person against their will. What would the average man think of if someone had broken into their house?
Men, if you want to have an equal choice over what to do with your own body, keep your zipper up.

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Watchdog

2:01 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Your remarks are absolutely absurd! A living child has every right it grow into a living human being as you did and you have no right to murder that child. You can ask "ROE". We, as a society of sane, compassionate people do not choose to murder millions of living human beings even if one child is impregnated by another child...a story impossible to collaborate and one of the stupidest arguments I have heard for rationalizing murder.

Don Bartolo

3:04 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

I give up on communicating with you but I will fight for women's rights as long as there is a breath left in my body.

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Sheila Schraier

4:08 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Watchdog, you are so dense you totally missed the point, which was that women have to go to a clinic & VOLUNTARILY get an abortion. No one forces them, & yes, they have that choice, as of now. & how about posting under your own name rather than "Watchdog"? I'm sure you think it was perfectly OK for medical plans to cover Viagra, but with your double standards no to contraception.
BTW, MY religion does not consider it to be human until it is born. A mass of cells is not a person. So my religious freedom is trampled on again. If we have such differences the best thing is to stay out of it & let the woman, whose body is involved & a medical person decide.
& if life is so precious, how can anyone support the death penalty (rather than life in prison w/o the possibility of parole)?
Let me turn the argument of abortion killing future scientists, etc. Wouldn't the World have been a better place had Hitler & Stalin's mothers HAD an abortion?

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Watchdog

4:58 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

You can always tell when a person has nothing cogent to contribute when their argument falls apart. Sheilas comments talk about medical plans and Viagra which have ZERO to do with abortion murders, she talks about a religion deciding when life begins and calls a 9 month old fully devevoped baby with heart, lungs and spinal cord and human brain " a mass of cells". Complete insanity. Sheila no one even brought up your religion what ever it is? So how can it be trampled upon? You are grasping at straws because down deep you know their is mo excuse for murdering an innocent baby.

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Watchdog

5:27 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Apoears that Sheia and whatever religion she belongs to would spare the life of a mass murderer while giving a death sentence to an innocent baby. WOW! What religion would do that? I believe most of the Christian religions do not support the death penalty OR. Abortion so the contradiction apparently lies with whatever religion Sheila belongs to.

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Issy

10:12 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Being that most Americans 75-80% are Christians, that makes no sense considering that support for the death penalty is around 60%.

Watchdog

6:19 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Mungo you have serious issues but no argument against the murdering of innocent babies. Please seek help for your inner desire to commit murder before it is too late

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CK

8:08 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Enlightening article on Huffington Post about Karen Handler, Komen's fervent pro-life Vice Pres of Public Policy, and her "plot" to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood. Hope this open people's eyes to salaried leadership at Komen that your donations help pay for. Please consider reading up on behemoth Komen. The shroud of pink ribbons is masking a lot.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/05/karen-handel-susan-g-komen-decision-defund-planned-parenthood_n_1255948.html

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Lanning Taliaferro

8:58 am on Monday, February 6, 2012

Quote from a Komen board member in the above-referenced article is relevant to this thread: "We screwed up, I'm saying it. We failed to keep abortion out of this, and we owe the people in the middle who only care about breast cancer and who have raised money for us an apology" -- John D. Rafaelli

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Mike

10:03 am on Monday, February 6, 2012

I find it interesting that you focus on this part of the article. What I find absolutely horrifying is the apparent threats that were and continue to be made against Komen. At the end of the day this shows me that a very naive and small charity like Komen was intimidated, harassed and some threatened with physical harm by a much larger and cohesive group of radicals. If the mafia is looking for good intimidators they only need to go to the local PP. One other thought, did the MSM or for that matter the Patch group follow up when an undercover sting operation last year showed PP employees advising "pimps" to lie about the underage girls they brought into PP clinics for abortions? No! So this organization which so many on these comment boards hails as champion for poor women, was very willing to commit a real crime. Get real. Hey patch editor-will you now run story on PP acting in criminal manner? I doubt it. Fake, phoney liberals all of you.

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Watchdog

11:48 am on Monday, February 6, 2012

PATCH., Lanning, your post shows your true colors. It is very interesting to me that such a large group of people can have such a focus on the topic of abortion, the killing of innocent babies. Makes you think that this topic of abortion is not really about women and their bodies bu a hot button to be pressed whenever they want to attack groups who do not agree their left wing, radical message. WHERE IS THE OUTCRY ABOUT THE THREATS OF VIOLENCE against Komen?

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CK

6:29 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

Lanning, I still don't know what to make of their candor. Sure, they've admitted they screwed up and on the surface that seems admirable. But Handler has not stepped down (or been asked to), so where's the accountability? This leads me to wonder what SGK's next steps will be once the fervor dies down. I don't trust an non-profit that's this big. And urge everyone to keep an eye on their activities before agreeing to toss on a pink ribbon when Cure races start up again.

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Mike

6:39 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

CK- you do realize that PP dwarfs Komen yet you worry how Komen spends it funds? Did you have thsi worry before or only after PP execs used extrortion and intimidation tactics. If anyone neds to be watched, its PP who has already shown it is willing to comit crimes. Disingenousness, a trait very well suited to those feigning distrust of Komen while praising PP

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CK

7:58 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

Mike: I've seen intimidation and extortion techniques used by this Congress, so I'm not phased by it so much when a organization that actually helps countless underprivileged people - - and is continuously attacked for doing so - - shows it has tough skin. At least PP is serving a purpose... even if you object to the 3% of their service offerings that include the A word.

ammiel schwartz

4:53 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

Komen of greater NYC, to whom I complained and suggested they split from the national unit just sent me this email:
http://www.komennyc.org/2010_Redesign/images/spacer.gif

We are very pleased to report that Susan G. Komen for the Cure headquarters in Dallas has reversed its position concerning funding criteria for grantee organizations.

Thank you to all of you, our passionate supporters, who have called, emailed and posted on our social media sites to register your feelings about this unfortunate turn of events. Komen Greater NYC leadership has been working behind-the-scenes to express our own views and yours on this subject and we are happy to report that the Komen National Board of Directors heard our concerns.

We feel that this is definitely a step in the right direction and hope all of you agree and continue to support our organization. In the end, it is the thousands of women and families we serve who will benefit most by our continued support. The official statement is below.

Sincerely,

http://www.komennyc.org/images/dara-sig-03.gif

Dara P. Richardson-Heron, MD
Chief Executive Officer, Komen Greater NYC

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Mike

5:04 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

Good for you..I;m glad you are proud to have been part of PP's targeted extortion and intimidation tactics to a relatively small charity that provides excellent cancer servcies to milliosn of woman. BTW, wonder why you and others who felt the need to punsih Komen, have never reached out to PP to question their ethical and criminal begavior when their employees advised potentail clinets to lie about their ages and offered advice on how to cover up sex trafficing involving minor children, One would think if you had the interest of poor woman really at heart you would have been equally incesned at PP as you were at Komen who acted in an ethical and legal manner when they initially decided to use their funds for breast cancer care (something that PP does very little of) in another manner. But, we know where you are all coming from. You played politics along with PP and really dont care about the health of woman. But I'm just a man according to another poster in these comments so my opinion in this area of womans health does not count.

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CK

6:16 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

Thanks for sharing that response from SGK, Ammiel. It's interesting to see how they are addressing the issue and how they are positioning their response. Probably, most of all, thanks for taking time to write them with your thoughts.

I'm still urging everyone I talk to about this NOT to support Komen financially. The more I've read about them, the more I think funds could be better used by smaller, more local groups. Or by giving direct contributions to Planned Parenthood itself.

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Mike

6:32 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

So you would advise people to give their money to an organziation that acts in an unethical and illegal manner as shown in this tape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCWf1MB92Pw

Yes, they really have the interset of poor woman at heart here. I notcie that not one supporter of PP has been able to refute any facts that have been laid before them. You all just regurgitate the lies you get from MSNBC

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CK

6:52 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

Thanks for sharing that link, Mike. I wasn't aware of that one. (But I gotta admit, the James O'Keefe ones are far more entertaining). It's actually inspired me to pull out the check book and send PP another donation! So yeah.

Mike

7:01 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

@CK- Odd reaction, but hey its a free country. Sending your money to an entity engaging in criminal activity. Odd. But, nontheless you ahve a choice, unlike me and millions of other Americans who have their money confiscated from them via taxes that support this criminal enterprise. I do admire your honesty though and your willingness to put your money wher your mouth is and donate. Perhaps you'll consider tithing 10% of your income to them. if more people are like you who knwos, maybe the government will stop confiscating my money.

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CK

7:53 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

We're sort of in the same boat, Mike. I object to a lot of government programs my tax contributions are forced to go to - - that aren't of my choosing - - as well. Though I'm happy to be in a country where the quality of life is such that I can afford this "travesty", so I don't complain about it as much as my more conservative brethren do. I'm happy to pay taxes. I think we should all pay more! I just wish more would stay in this country and support infrastructure, new energy choices, and education. So America can stay strong.

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Watchdog

9:41 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

CK, now is your chance to PAY MORE. How much will you send to Obama?

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CK

11:55 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

Thanks for that link. I had heard about this fund. Bleh, but I don't want to contribute just to pay down a debt that eight years of war-and-spend-but-don't-tax Republican oversight brought us. It's sad chunks of our taxes have to go to it anyway. Don't you wish we could earmark where our tax dollars go? I would gladly pay more to build this country back up.

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Watchdog

2:53 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

An unbelievable cop out! FAKE, PHONY, FRAUD.

Watchdog

9:46 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

CK, we already have more energy choices than you can possibly imagine. What did you have in mind? Spending for education is at catosttofic levels but most of it goes to Pensions, salaries and health care benefits, not the kids. THE reason for every tax increase I had locally was to pad the pensions and health care costs. Every single increase.

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CK

11:51 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

I sort of look at like trickle down economics. If our teachers and school administrators are healthy. well trained, motivated and feel adequately compensated, benefits will trickle down to our kids. Oh wait? It's not working? Darn, and it was such a good theory! Still, I rather my tax revenues go there than killing thousands of "innocent babies who have no voice" in the middle east.

CK

12:09 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

This just in... Karen Handel, the staunchly pro-life VP of Public Policy who initiated the drive to cease breast cancer related program funds to Planned Parenthood... has stepped down. Uh,,, I mean was battered and bullied by the well oiled Radical Left Gestapo (and its lockstep toadies, the Disney owned MSM) into giving up her fundamental beliefs and pursuit of happiness. God have mercy on us all, now.

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Don Bartolo

4:21 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

Ck,
Read the article. Glad to hear she's gone. Can't believe people like her are so arrogant that they think their emails can't be discovered.
Let us hope they can heal and return to what they were before her.

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CK

6:02 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

@ Herbert: I'm sure we haven't seen the last of her and she'll probably be putting those emails (and all her notes) to use on a book about this episode. She is not taking the severance deal offered by Komen, which would have come with a hush clause. So she'll be free to tell her story... and inevitably become a contributor on women's issues for Fox News and run as a candidate in the election cycle after this one.

Here's a link to her resignation letter - which is an interesting read. She makes a good case for being a victim, which says something about the management at Komen.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/07/karen-handel-s-resignation-letter-from-susan-g-komen.html

Mike

5:16 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

@BR- first it's not an isolated incident as there were several clinics who did the same thing. Even if it were isolated, this is a serious criminal violation. Why should tax dollars be used to support criminal enterprises. Interesting that you want to give PP a pass, but you all jump over Komen. As I have said before, it just illustrates the disingenuousness of liberals.

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BR Cannon

11:42 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Your comments are farfetched, over-the-top, and stupid. PP is a "criminal enterprise"? Liberals are "disengenuous"? Aren't all types of people?? You guys are just intent on getting up on your high horses, being drama queens, ranting and raving and being angry about a lot of stuff that you don't really want to address in a comprehensive way. I am just here to call you out on it. Oh by the way, you did not hear me jumping all over Komen. Never said any such thing. Now that's what I call disengenuous!! :) xxoo

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Bjorn Olsson

12:18 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Disingenuity on an internet message board? Get outta here! Unfortunately most of these discussions, especially when anonymity is allowed, are always a downward spiraling race where the first person who calls an opponent a Nazi wins.

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Mike

12:41 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

@BR- yes, when all else fails and you can no longer make cogent arguments to support your positon, retort to personal attacks. Peace out.

Bjorn Olsson

1:24 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Although the debate seems to revolve mostly about Planned Parenthood, it seems obvious that this will change how the Komen foundation is viewed in the future. In years past, they were a cause everyone could easily support, a uniting, apolitical force. By picking this battle, they dove into one of the most politically divisive issues of all, hard to imagine that this will not alter their image for the foreseeable future. The mechanics of this process, where they will lose support from the left and gain from the right, will only serve to accelerate this shift. It's a real shame, as there are so few causes people of all political persuasions can get behind and support, and maybe even recognize that there are good and moral people on both sides of the political trenches.

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Nancy White

11:24 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Just an FYI about lack of mammogram machines and breast cancer screenings at Planned Parenthood clients. As someone whose "comprehensive" health insurance did not cover mammograms, I had to go to a clinic to get one. The clinic does not offer the mammograms as that requires a radiologist. But, you need to be examined by a doctor to get a prescription for the mammogram. That happens at the clinic. They then refer you to a low cost mammogram provider.

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Lanning Taliaferro

12:05 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Thank you for that point of information, Nancy -- some of our commenters may not have realized how it works. My ob/gyn also does not have a mammogram machine; I get an exam and a prescription every year. Here is an interesting article about mammography costs and services: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/14309149/detail.html

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Mike

12:39 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

No, we know how it works and that is the main point of conetention. PP made a huge uproar over an issue that really did not impact them- the provision of breast cancer services. They turned it into the political mafioso style hit job. Of course, patients for any diagnostic services get an Rx from a doctor and then get their test at a facility that provides those services. The point is PP doesnt provide those services and I would live to hear from one of the PP supporters how they "arrange for low cost services". "Arranging" for healthcare services from one provider to another under a referral arangement could run afoul of many laws including the Stark anti-kickback laws. Would be interesting for Patch or other news outlet to investigate the exact nature of these "arrangements"

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Bjorn Olsson

12:54 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

I would imagine they do provide breast exams, and can funnel low income women who would otherwise not even get the initial exam into getting a mammogram.
Either way, Komen did not revoke funding because they were unhappy with PP's breast exams, this was all about the "investigation", which in turn was all about abortions.

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dleighg

1:05 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Besides which, mammograms are not even *necessary* on a regular basis for lots of women, specifically those under age 40 (or even 50 under some recommendation charts). PP *can* and does offer manual breast exams for that huge group of women age 20-40, for whom going elsewhere may simply not be an option. Breast health is NOT only mammograms.

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Mike

1:48 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

American Cancer Society recommends mammograms every year beginning at 40. Further from 20-40 they recommend CBE every 3 years. What is this huge group of woman tha have no where else to go? First off there are about 7-8 thousand FQHCs in US compared to 800 PP clinics (not all even do CBE's). If a person is low income then they are either entitled to Medicaid or can get care at the FQHC. This is a smoke screen that PP is at the forefront of providing preventitive cancer care. They are an abortion provider- have the guts and courage to at least admit that is what they do.

http://www.cancer.org/Healthy/FindCancerEarly/CancerScreeningGuidelines/american-cancer-society-guidelines-for-the-early-detection-of-cancer

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