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Boy Scouts of America: End Discrimination. Period.

The Boy Scouts of America owe it to themselves to do the right thing and end discrimination, period.

 

I first wrote about this topic in July http://newcity.patch.com/blog_posts/and-morally-straight, where I examined how the scout's anti-gay policy is totally ridiculous and harmful. 

Today, the momentum for change continues. Yay! Countless Eagle Scouts have returned their badges in protest; some community organizations, local municipalities and places of worship are not permitting the scouts to meet in their spaces; and prominent corporate sponsors are looking to divest. And there is great excitement about the proposed steps the Boy Scouts of America might take to work towards ending their discriminatory policy. Yet, many of us are not thrilled about the proposal. 

The Boy Scouts of America are trying to decide this issue by leaving it up to individual troops. At first this sounds wonderful---- for the first time in history we might have some troops that will allow lesbian parents to have children in the scouts, allow openly gay troop leaders and permit openly gay scouts to earn their badges. On the flip-side, this means that there will still be troops that are causing harm, and because of the proposed change, are now actively enforcing a politic based on the devaluing of our LGBT neighbors and children, by choosing to not allow inclusion.  

I ask this: why was it OK for the scouts, as an institution, to have a policy that banned gay inclusion totally (even when troops and regions didn’t want it banned) but not OK to discuss a policy that clearly states that it is against the values of the scouts to discriminate. While many call this incrementalism progress, I throw the metaphorical challenge flag. How would we feel as a society, if all our private institutions had policies, in writing, which state that they can selectively discriminate against groups of people who are historically and currently marginalized? 

I appreciate the national dialogue we are having. But I think we need to work harder. I call on us to ask ourselves if this is really the change we want to see. 

In my opinion, The Boy Scouts of America owe it to themselves to do the right thing and end discrimination, period. 

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Maureen January 31, 2013 at 12:57 pm
A wise sailor notes the direction of the wind and sets his sails accordingly. If the wind is picking up in the direction he wishes to go he doesn't get out the oars and start flailing about in the water. Things change exponentially, rarely in quantum steps. Fifty years ago a black President was not imagined - today it is history. That will be the same track with the issue of these human rights. One thing that has not changed in your profession are the smoke-filled rooms we have in Clarkstown where decisions are made out of the light of day. The direction of the wind on that issue is blowing the boat ashore. Where are you and your young Republican equivalent in addressing these issues - the issues of taxation and patronage - which affect our everyday lives now? Given I have a gay child, now an adult, I would prefer that you worry about these other issues rather than my child sexual preferences.
Felicia January 31, 2013 at 02:20 pm
I believe private clubs are allowed to open their membership to whomever they want. Are there no clubs that exclude women? What about clubs based on a certain nationality? Search and you will find a huge list of gay/lesbian clubs. If you don't agree with the belief system of a club, then don't join.
Rose Garrity January 31, 2013 at 02:46 pm
Well, I am not near Clarkstown, and would worry about what is going on there, however Joe's words are important all across the country! Many United Way and other "Community Chest" organizations give hundreds of thousands of dollars to Boy Scout Councils, and as a citizen who would like to full support the United Way I am offended and upset by this; I would not give a dime to the Boy Scouts until they end their ignorant discrimination. Period. There is also the vast disparity of what is given to the Boy Scouts and so much less given Girl Scouts, at least through UW's in my area. Ugly. Joe, you rock! Keep truth telling. Remember, if you are not taking "crap" you are not doing "crap". (You know what word was originally used there. ;-)
Elena Martinez January 31, 2013 at 02:54 pm
The Boy Scouts must end discrimination against our LGBT youth, and it must end discrimination against our atheist youth also.
Joseph Coe February 1, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Maureen, I generally do not respond to comments but am so compelled to in regards to yours. First, from what it sounds like, your son is lucky to a parent who supports him. Many LGBT children do not have a family support system because of how invasive heterosexism and homophobia is in our society.
As a person who is gay myself, and who has been speaking against injustice since the age of 15, I feel that these issues of oppression are particularly impactful and our community deserves to read about them. That is why I choose to write about what I write about. If there are issues that you feel should be explored, I recommend that you start a blog. From my experience, The Patch is very open to hearing from community members. I wish you the best.
Felicia February 1, 2013 at 01:51 pm
Tolerance is a two way street. I hope your next editorial will be denouncing all gay/lesbian scholarships...otherwise your stance against the scouts seems much more like a witch hunt.
MCD February 1, 2013 at 05:39 pm
Why does a Christian based organization have to allow members who don't adhere to their belief system? That is called Freedom of Association. You cant force everyone to accept everything in life.
Brian February 1, 2013 at 08:47 pm
The Catholic church is also virulently anti-gay. Hmm, what else does it and the Boy Scouts of America have in common? Seems like there more important things those two organizations should be concerned with. And I say this as a former Boy Scout who had a wonderful experience, even though I never got anywhere close to being an Eagle Scout.
eatingdogfood February 1, 2013 at 09:44 pm
Life worked better when private lives were kept private.
Theresa Flora February 1, 2013 at 09:46 pm
If you don't like the Boy Scouts of America: don't be one. Period.
Felicia February 2, 2013 at 12:21 am
Thank you Flora!
Felicia February 2, 2013 at 01:06 pm
Elena - I guess their aren't any atheist clubs where God fearing people don't quite fit in, huh. All clubs fit all people, right? I think Christians should be allowed in every atheist organization and members of the organization should be forced to change their belief system so they are not so discriminatory.
Teleman February 2, 2013 at 10:05 pm
The traditional central family unit is just about gone as we know it, and society seems so much better for it- from a moral standpoint especially. Just look around.
Teleman February 2, 2013 at 10:06 pm
My thoughts exactly flora- an organization should stand on its principles- if you don't like them, don't join.
Issy February 3, 2013 at 12:04 am
So you support bigotry?
John February 3, 2013 at 12:40 am
Flora, you nailed it.
Teleman February 3, 2013 at 02:08 am
I don't support bigotry- I treat all people equally- personally i don't care what someones sexual orientation is- and I don't expect it to be broadcasted to everyone- as I don't go around broadcasting MY own sexual orientation. Thats the fundamental problem here-they throw their sexual orientation in everyones face and make t the issue, rather than just keeping it personal like the rest of us.
James Adnaraf February 3, 2013 at 01:29 pm
I would like to see the Boy Scouts end their policy. If they choose not to, they will not be the only group that excludes a class of people.
We have War Veterans groups for specific religions and nationalities. In Ossining, I recall the "Club Latinos Unidos". Try getting into these organizations if you are not one of them. I think less of the Boy Scouts because they exclude gays, but I will not single them out for discrimination. Someone's sexual orientation is their business, if they want to tell me, they can tell me it once, and I don't want to hear it again, as it is between them and their hormones. Boy Scouts- change the policy. Selective critics of discrimination - I do not like your double standard.
dleighg February 3, 2013 at 01:37 pm
If you are married to someone of the opposite sex, I think that "broadcasts your sexuality" as a heterosexual. Here in NY one can be married to someone of the same sex. That is also "broadcasting your sexuality". And under current boy scout rules, you would not be allowed to be a den mother or troop leader of your son's group. That is discrimination, period. And those who say a "Christian organization" shouldn't be forced to admit homosexuals, are disregarding the fact that many Christian churches, including my own, are fully supportive of gay rights. See More Light Presbyterians if you are skeptical.
Felicia February 3, 2013 at 09:22 pm
Telemen - society is better without the traditional family unit??? Are you kidding? We have a society that lacks morals, values, decorum and social skills. Where teenage pregnancy is out of control. Where people rely on the govt rather than their families and don't have personal pride or sense of personal responsibility. We live in a society where people that are very self-indulgent and have lost the good sense of, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Teleman February 4, 2013 at 01:03 am
Felicia,I am in full agreement with you I was being sarcastic- the liberal mentality that seeks to destroy the family unit leaves us with all of those things you mention above- these same people use abortion as a form of birth control- and we wonder why we have young twenty-something's comitting mass shootings of children?
Yorktowner February 4, 2013 at 01:28 am
Well I'm glad that you are at least in favor of allowing Gay marriage and encouraging gay couples to adopt, since you appreciate the importance of marriage and the family unit. That's something.
Yorktowner February 4, 2013 at 01:29 am
I've flagged this as inappropriate. Patch should not allow comments that defame whole groups of people--especially ones that are this idiotic.
Maureen February 5, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Mr. Coe: The trouble that I have with what you wrote is that you were not honest with the reader. Had you started the blog by saying that you were a gay person and if you had been a member of the Boy Scouts and could say something about the scouting experience from that perspective, I would have found the article worthwhile. Instead, it just became an attack on a private institution from behind your white picket fence. Further, I referred to my "gay child". Why would you make the jump to concluding that my son was male?
Maureen February 5, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Correction:
Why would you make the jump to concluding that my SON was male? Should read Why would you make the jump to concluding that my CHILD was male? My gay child is a daughter.
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