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Board Of Elections Invalidates Preserve Rockland Petitions For Clarkstown Races

The Rockland County Board of Elections invalidated Preserve Rockland-Clarkstown’s petitions for Clarkstown races on Friday claiming that pages were incorrectly numbered. The group, which had hoped to get three candidates on the ballot for the November 5th general election, filed a verified petition on Wednesday appealing the ruling to the New York State Supreme Court. Oral arguments on the board of elections’ decision will be heard on Tuesday, Sept. 3 

The petitions, which were collected by the Clarkstown Preservation Society, under Preserve Rockland-Clarkstown, contained 2,788 signatures. According to Democratic Elections Commissioner Kristen Stavisky the decision to invalidate was based on technicalities not challenges to signatures or witnesses. The petitions supported the candidacies of Brian Moran of New City for supervisor, John Noto of New City for council and Dennis Malone of Congers for highway superintendent. 

“They had sequencing issues,” she said on Wednesday. “They mis-numbered their petitions in about four different spots. That is a fatal error.”

Stavisky said there is no option to rectify the errors. 

“They don’t have the opportunity to correct sequencing issues,” she said.

The attorney for Preserve Rockland-Clarkstown disagreed with that opinion. Tom Humbach of Pearl River said the verified petition filed with the court states that the mistakes are correctable. 

“The verified petition filed with the court says that the alleged mistakes that were objected to were curable problems and also that Preserve Rockland-Clarkstown did not cause the problems, that they were caused by the Board of Elections in the first place,” he said.

Humbach said Preserve Rockland-Clarkstown contends that the Board of Elections erroneously switched the cover sheets of the two separate volumes and based on that mistake invalidated the petitions. He said the group’s position is that the cover sheets and volumes were submitted correctly and that state elections law allows for these types of issues to be corrected but that a representative of the group, who met with elections officials on Monday, was blocked from doing so.

The board of elections is also looking into objections filed against the first three volumes of petitions filed by Preserve Rockland on behalf of Ed Day for county executive. Two general objections were filed on August 16th and specific objections submitted four days later. One general objection was filed against the second set of three volumes of petitions on August 23rd and the specific objection is due in the board office by 5 p.m. on Thursday or must be postmarked by midnight Thursday. 

Stavisky said a decision could be made next week. The petitions contain approximately 6,000 signatures from across the county.

The board of elections previously denied petitions during this primary season for Dagan Lacorte and Vladimir Leon who were both seeking to run in the Democratic primary for county executive. 

Eileen McDonald August 29, 2013 at 02:08 PM
If there are that few for a major party commenting, then small ones really would have less. If lesser "parties" want to be on ballots and have successful candidates, then be different than the other parties in a positive way.
Mellow Yello August 29, 2013 at 02:13 PM
Literally the funniest series of posts on this site. Couldn't help stopping by and hope you all are doing good. Life in GA is so easy. Thanks for asking.
Eileen McDonald August 29, 2013 at 02:20 PM
I'm sure every state and community has it's own hang ups. Glad we could entertain your Southern sensibilities lol
Laborers Local 754 August 29, 2013 at 03:44 PM
Although we do not always agree with the positions of Preserve Ramapo, they are a very important organization that is vital to oversight of Rockland County and government in general. The petition process must be changed. It has already removed two excellent candidates for County Executive and now is gutting the choices for the election of Town positions. We have no reason to question the integrity of those overseeing the petition process, but looking from the outside, one can see where it can be abused. If it is being run fairly , then the rules must change. Also, and most importantly, it must be changed so allies of incumbents do not have an edge in eliminating legitimate opposition. At it's best it is flawed and at it's worst it is undemocratic.
AnnieRose August 29, 2013 at 03:46 PM
@Jake, I'm flagging your comments as inappropriate. I find your name calling and put downs offensive..
Jake Rokeach August 29, 2013 at 04:10 PM
@Annierose, what? You don't like gun oil?
Jake Rokeach August 29, 2013 at 04:13 PM
@Laborers, BofE seems to have been backed up by the courts, haven't they? So there goes your corruption theory. If you want to change election laws, I would bet you have to talk to your assemblyman.
Eileen McDonald August 29, 2013 at 04:26 PM
Petitions, smetitions! If both Commissioners agree to accept, or not accept, filings, seems the petitioners can appeal and if lucky, be back on ballots. I do find it really troubling that Day would take the support, and want to be on the petitions of Preserve Ramapo. As seeing someone say they will flag a person's comments, that is really not a good thing to do. Disagreeing with some others posts do not make them inappropriate. Just makes it an opposing opinion to your own, and freedom of speech allows this. Talk about censorship.
AnnieRose August 29, 2013 at 04:42 PM
There is a difference between disagreeing and name calling, put downs and taunts..I will continue to flag inappropriate comments. And with that, I'm done here.
Eileen McDonald August 29, 2013 at 05:00 PM
I do not agree with name calling either, Ms. Annierose. Singling one poster is not fair, since there are others who have name called, etc. It is possible that Mr. Rokeach has been pushed to a limit and lashed out at another commenter. It happens. People get passionate about their opinions. Let live. If the Patch staff has issues, I am sure they can handle and monitor.
Pat Godfrey August 29, 2013 at 07:47 PM
I spoke with Kristen Stavisky about invalidating 2300 Clarkstown sighnatures. She said it is non-partisan because her republican counterpart agreed also to invalidate the signatures. The problem is that it benefits both the Democrat and Republican party to deny these signatures. What has happened here is they (both democrats and republican parties) are using the system to put only party approved candidates for the people of rockland to vote for. These party first candidates only look out for their own best interests and not the Rockland resident. This election cycle in Clarkstown their is not even a candidate that will be on the ballad versus Gromack for Clarkstown supervisor. We now have a new class system in Rockland. The ruling class. They decide which people we get to have represent us politically. We have no say in the matter and are just supposed to pay our taxes and stay out of the political process. This is unamerican and needs to stop.
Phil Leiter August 29, 2013 at 07:50 PM
Pat, you just summarized the problem perfectly.
Charles Clewsow August 29, 2013 at 08:36 PM
Do you think Zebrowski- Stavisky would even try this outrageous maneuver if the petition was signed by an African American minority group? This is so Disingenuous and sneaky. It stinks to hell. She and her brother should be held accountable. This is how voters lose interest and don't vote which us exactly what people like this Stavisky want.
Eileen McDonald August 29, 2013 at 09:04 PM
Me. Clewsow, this has nothing to do with race. Or, benefiting Republicans or Democrats. Time and time again small local party lines are just predominantly made up of people who truly are disgruntled. AND, if they won any elected office would either, 1. Have so little experience things would get much worse, or 2. Do the same things already happening that they were once disgruntled about.
Charles Clewsow August 29, 2013 at 09:30 PM
Make things worse? We just had a 48% tax increase on top of other taxes on electric, cell phones, mortgages etc etc and you know what we still have to borrow another $100,000,000 and still we owe Zillions in unpaid for pensions. And honest folks sign a petition to run another candidate and they are rejected by a self serving political hack for SEQUENTIAL ISSUES? The pages on the petition were not properly numbered? This is Ludicrous. I feel like I am in the old Soviet Union. This is Not America.
Charles Clewsow August 29, 2013 at 09:36 PM
In Clarkstown we are running a single candidate making the election a complete SHAM. We don't even have a two party system. And we have a cop who basically had a public relations job jyst retire at $168,000 paying ZERO NYS TAXES.
Tony T August 30, 2013 at 06:49 AM
Democratic or Republican both Commissioner have a vested interest in keeping a 3rd Party off the ballot!! How do you think that both of the "Commissioners" got their jobs? Both were party insiders who worked for their respective parties and received the approval of both political parties knowing that they would do the right thing when called upon to do so. And, in this case, as least as far as the political elite in Clarkstown are concerned, they did the right thing!!
Eileen McDonald August 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM
I bet if you looked at comments on online publications in other states and their communities, you would find the same complaints, just change the name I the location. Taxes on property, utilities, cell phones (which technically are not a necessity in life), clothes, food, service industry, are going up everywhere. And, what is forgotten is that those you call "political elite" also pay those taxes too! Wouldn't it behoove them to stop that? They try. And, this Country as a whole has had a trillion dollar deficit as long as I can remember, and we've had members of congress and presidents from both parties in office. The Soviet Union is a Country to compare the US to? Insane! Haven't read such drivel in my life.
Charles Clewsow August 30, 2013 at 12:11 PM
DID ZEBROWSKI-STAVISKY COPY THE RUSSIAN SYSTEM. READ THIS. STAVISKY HAS IS BASICALLY THE SAME SYSTEM AS PUTIN IN RUSSIA, EXCEPT RUSSIA ACTUALLY RUNS CANDIDATES. GROMACK IS RUNNING UNOPPOSED. OUTIN MAY BE BE BETTER THAN GROMACK FOR CLARKSTOWN. READ NEXT POST.
Charles Clewsow August 30, 2013 at 12:18 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2012/03/russian_prime_minister_vladimir_putin_has_rigged_the_country_s_elections_to_guarantee_he_will_win.html -----------------------------------------"To get on the ballot today, a presidential candidate must collect 2 million signatures in January (even though half of the month is lost to the New Year’s holiday). Signatories must be geographically diverse: No more than 50,000 names can come from any one of the country's 83 regions. The signatories themselves must be precise: a single mistake such as a contraction in the name of a city—for example, “St. Petersburg” instead of “Saint Petersburg”—can render an entire sheet of signatures invalid. The names are then submitted to the Central Election Commission, which can pick a sample at random—and if it rejects more than 5 percent of the sample, the candidate is disqualified. ........ The commission has a list of 14 reasons it can cite to reject a signature. One of these is “expert opinion.” In other words, any candidate whom the Kremlin does not want on the ballot will not be on the ballot. So, if you are wondering which of the candidates opposing Putin on Sunday is a Kremlin stooge, rest assured: They all are." ZEBROWSKY-STAVISKY REJECTED THE PETITION FOR SEQUENTIAL ISSUES.....SOUNDS A LOT LIKE " EXPERT OPINION". SOUNDS JUST LIKE RUSSIA.
Pat Godfrey August 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM
The American system of government is the best in the world because of the seperation of powers. No 1 person or group of people hold the power. Right now the political class in Rockland county hold to much power and are keeping the average citizen out of choosing viable candidates. This is what is happening in this case of the Bd. of elections invalidating 2300 signatures. This is disenfrachising the Rockland voter.
Charles Clewsow August 30, 2013 at 01:29 PM
Pat, the Russian system is eerily similar to the system used by Zebrowski-Stavusky. But at least Russia runs several candidates. Zebrowsky- Stavisky knocked out all candidates for Clarkstown Supervisor and Gromack runs like a Dictator runs......UNOPPOSED.
Eileen McDonald August 30, 2013 at 02:44 PM
I have an idea for Mr. Clewsow. Move to Russia so you can make an accurate comparison
Charles Clewsow August 30, 2013 at 03:14 PM
RUSSIA probably looks a lot better than Ramapo and the Russians will look you in the eye and say hello and they won't cut in line at the supermarket either. If I had the choice if living in Russia or on 306 in Ramapo, I would choose Russia which is why Schoenberger cannot get elected since he would turn the County into one large Route 306.
Jake Rokeach August 30, 2013 at 03:55 PM
You people are a gigantic joke. You're arguing about an electoral system when the candidates you want are already on the ballot. You want to vote for Day, he's on the Republican ticket. End of argument. You don't like Day, don't vote. If you don't like your Clarkstown candidates, get other candidates. But you know what it seems like? It seems like no matter who you support, you are always going to be unhappy. You like being unhappy. You revel in it now that there is an Internet and you have two fingers to type on it. Well, I'm glad you're having a great time. Invite Ed Day to join you after he loses in November.
Charles Clewsow August 30, 2013 at 05:17 PM
Rokeach, Gromack is running unopposed like the Emperor of China. Even Russia runs two candidates.
Eileen McDonald August 30, 2013 at 08:25 PM
What always happens is the permanently disgruntled would STILL be unhappy if someone they wanted got elected.
Laborers Local 754 September 04, 2013 at 08:26 AM
Jake, Agreed
Watchdog September 04, 2013 at 08:44 AM
So now the head of the Laborers Union is OK that the wishes of 2300 people are thrown down the sewer by political hacks because of "sequencing issues", meaning the pages were not numbered correctly.
Watchdog September 04, 2013 at 08:47 AM
BTW GROMACK is running unopposed because the hacks, some if whom will be revealed by the FBI, are corrupt.

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