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Clarkstown Approves Geese Control Program

Town tries to contain the Canadian Geese population by preventing eggs from hatching and chasing geese from parks.

 

Clarkstown Town Board members approved a $10,200 program on Tuesday for Canadian Geese control throughout the community. The contract with Thomas J. Maglaras of Nuisance Wildlife Control Agents is for a program to addle the eggs of Canadian Geese in the town’s parks. This program is in addition to one approved in July 2012 for trained dogs to chase the geese from the parks and other locations.

Clarkstown Superintendent of Recreation and Parks Jo Anne Pedersen said the combination of the two programs has made a difference.

“I have to tell you our parks you can walk in,” she said. “And that’s much more than before.”

Addling geese eggs interrupts the incubation process so they do not hatch but the eggs are left in the nest so the geese still care for them. If the eggs were removed, then the geese would lay more eggs. According to Pedersen, they typically produce four or five eggs at a time.

In 2012, the firm found 97 Canadian Geese nests in Clarkstown containing a total of 480 eggs at Lake DeForest, Congers Lake, Lake Lucille, Twin Ponds, the closed West Nyack landfill and along Klein Avenue and Old Nyack Turnpike.  Pedersen said the number of nests has not changed dramatically from 2006 when there were 81. 

As long as the geese can get access to green grass, she said they tend to stay in the same area.

“The problem is the geese don’t migrate south anymore,” she said. 

Pedersen said in 1996 the town tried to get the geese to move from one of the parks so they relocated them to the former landfill, about three miles away. Within a week’s time, many of the geese found their way back to the park.  

Nuisance Wildlife Control Agents will addle the eggs in late March and early April.  The company is responsible for obtaining all necessary state and federal permits.

Throughout the year, Hudson Valley Wild Goose Chasers, Inc.of Nyack takes its trained canines to Rockland Lake State Park, Lake DeForest Reservoir and Swartout Lake two or three times a day to chase the geese.  Wild Goose Chasers is being paid $1,973 monthly for 12 months or $23,676 to chase geese from Kings Park in Congers, Congers Memorial Park and Twin Ponds Park in Valley Cottage.

Town properties are not the only ones attractive to geese. The Clarkstown School Board also brought in three companies on a trial basis to rid the Clarkstown North and South high school and Felix Festa Middle School campuses of geese. 

Mike Hirsch January 22, 2013 at 02:59 PM
We have alot of hungry people in this county and alot of guys that like to shoot things. Why not set aside one day a month and let the hunters thin out the goose population and give the birds to the various soup kitchens and shelters?
Felicia January 22, 2013 at 03:40 PM
Jake, my comment was about chasing and killing wildlife in a nature park...not a ball field.
Felicia January 22, 2013 at 03:44 PM
Not sure killing unhatched chicks and having geese incubate dead eggs for a season is all that humane.
Felicia January 22, 2013 at 03:52 PM
Watching and respecting animal families is a really good lesson for children and Rockland Lake at one time set a fine example. But no longer. In the past the lake was filled with life, and now it is empty. Once again, if you want to be in a place without animals, dont go to a nature park.
M. Leybra January 22, 2013 at 05:03 PM
Clarkstown needs to be commended for ending the futile annual slaughters of years past. Thank you Jo Anne Pedersen.
M. Leybra January 22, 2013 at 05:44 PM
"Resident" canada geese are the decendants of originally true migrating geese (now a threatened species) who were waylaid by State Game Agencies into overwintering by supplying abundant grain & using wing-pinned geese as lures decades ago, particulary in the Finger Lakes area of Western NY to increase hunting opportunities. The plan backfired since the succeeding generations of those geese never learned migration patterns from parents & as they proliferated, spread out & we now have year-round geese all over the State including suburbia w/ golf courses & parks. Can research this for yourself if you think geese stopped migrating since time immorial simply on their own.
paula January 22, 2013 at 08:49 PM
That's interesting M. Leybra. I didn't know that. Thank you for sharing.
Kim January 23, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Other communities should follow this enlightened example of coexisting with nature.
Patricia M. Nelson January 23, 2013 at 10:13 AM
Kudos to you for not killing the very beautiful ones!
Misse Lanni January 23, 2013 at 02:11 PM
Thank you for not killing these beautiful animals. As far as the comments about their poop, get over it they dont do it to annoy humans. Every creature poops. How about all the dog owners that dont clean up after them? Look at our towns and all the violence that is happening maybe we should concentrate more on fixing humans. Let the geese live their lives in peace.
Chris January 23, 2013 at 02:17 PM
Hi Marilyn, hope you are doing well.
MB January 23, 2013 at 02:35 PM
Kudos for not ordering a slaughter on these defenseless birds and their goslings and utilizing non-lethal ways to deal with this issue that humans have created. We are on "violence overload"! Great if we can start teaching kids about ways of dealing with conflict either human or wildlife without resorting to killing. Thank you.
Tyler Durden January 23, 2013 at 03:05 PM
If they were rats would you feel the same way? Would you want to try non-lethal ways of removal? The geese that do not migrate from our area are basically lawn-rats of our own making. Sometimes the most human thing to do isn't always the prettiest thing to do, sorry. I'd rather have them dealt with quickly and cleanly now before we wind up with an avian flu vector in our backyard. PS - I am a nature loving birdwatcher, not a hunter.
Misse Lanni January 23, 2013 at 03:29 PM
Tyler since you are a birdwatcher then you must know that these lawn rats mate for life and have intense family and flock bonds. All creatures deserve to live, not just the ones that humans deem suitable. You must also know that they do not migrate because man kind brought them to the brink of extinction and then reintroduced them to areas and they did not know how to migrate. Man created resident geese. You must also know that what they consider humanly euthenizing is anything but. They capture the geese and their goslings when they are molting and defenseless. The geese are then shoved into over crowded crates and left for hours. Some geese die from the stress and from over heating and are left in the crates with their live family members. The geese are then drivin hours away to gas chambers. Since geese fly they have a larger lung capacity and it takes a extra long time to kill them so they suffer and die an aggonizing death in the chambers. Are you also a history buff because this is what man kind did in Nazi Germany. So please dont hide behind being a bird watcher. If you knew anything about geese this would not be acceptable. I also would defend rats because I am not God and we should not decide what lives and dies. Every creature is here to live their lives. After all you only get one life. Humans could learn a lot about loyalty and love from geese.
M. Leybra January 23, 2013 at 04:14 PM
Send me an email cause lost most of addresses on 'puter incl. yours. How are ya?
M. Leybra January 23, 2013 at 04:26 PM
Thank you for that great post Lanni. Human ego is what keeps some persons from accepting that the same power of creation who created them, created the goose, the rat & every other INNOCENT creature. Headway is being made against the propsed 2013 slaughter of geese in the Westchester town of Scarsdale.
Tyler Durden January 23, 2013 at 04:46 PM
Misse Lanni- I am not hiding behind being a birdwatcher. I happen to know what these birds are doing to the environment. Did you know that human introduced non-migrating Canada geese displace native nesting waterfowl with their aggressive nesting habits and compete for the limited food supply? Do you think it humane to have native nesting birds run out of their habitat or starve? These non-migrating breeding Canada geese are here year-round because of mistakes we have made and it's time to correct that. Once you go to the Nazi comparison you lose credibility and your argument shows how weak it is. Also, how do you know we "only get one life"?, you said you're not god?
Misse Lanni January 23, 2013 at 05:00 PM
Tyler how do I lose credibility when I state facts of history? Humans are evil and always resort to murder and killing. Animals are no less important then humans, they live and breath and have families and thoughts. People are starving due to not being able to afford food should we kill them because others can afford it? Why should we kill geese because they are trying to eat and survive? Humans have taken away so much natural habitat from ALL animals for our selfish needs. Do we really need another forest torn down for a large house or another shopping plaza. So why is one species of bird allowed to live and you want to murder another? Is it because the other birds are small and cute? Murder is murder is murder. Why dont you test the theroy that we only get one life and eliminate yourself if you are so sure we get another chance. I can sleep at night knowing that I respect ALL creatures big and small. I DO NOT respect killing as a solution. Maybe it is time for humans to correct the mistakes we made by becoming better and more tolerant people. I hope you do not have children that you are teaching to murder and kill anything they deem unfit. Take a look in the mirror and love not hate.
Mike Hirsch January 23, 2013 at 05:20 PM
I really don't get it. Humans eat animals as part of the natural order of things. If there is nothing wrong with killing and eating turkeys at Thanksgiving, what is the problem with shooting and eating geese?
Keith L January 23, 2013 at 06:32 PM
To Tyler Durdin--- You claim you are a "nature loving bird watcher"? What person with that title would want birds killed? I bet if those birds you watch started pooping on your car & property, you'd want them killed too. As for the environment, humans do much more damage to it than any animal. I suppose global warming is also the fault of the geese? You mention that the geese are "displacing native, nesting waterfowl". Well, the geese are now in that category. Humans did that, eliminating from huge numbers of geese the ability and knowledge to migrate, affecting thousands of generations of geese. They are now native due to humans. Humans displace all types of life (humans, too) & elminate their habitats, then wonder why these animals are in their yards and parks. As for Misse's Nazi reference, I find it to be right on the money. It is historically correct. The genocide was carried out in frighteningly similar ways. As for your Avian Flu comment, that is my favorite and truly shows your ignorance. Many studies have been conducted and no correlation has been found between geese droppings and geese in general to human illness. That is a fact, but why would you let facts get in the way? I guess you are just so much more intelligent then all those people over the years conducting these studies. Let me ask...do you recycle, drive a Prius, and use energy-efficient light bulbs? Since you are so concerned with what geese do to the environment, I'm sure you are doing your part.
Tyler Durden January 23, 2013 at 07:16 PM
Keith L & Misse Lanni- I can only hope the two of you never meet and decide to reproduce. The world is in enough trouble already.
Misse Lanni January 23, 2013 at 07:32 PM
Tyler we are the one's that are advocating not killing and co-existing. You have just proved you are an ignorant person. The world needs people who are against killing and violence. You Tyler are the problem with this world. Continue your hate campaign and live in your world filled with incorrect information. Maybe I will go kiss a goose and catch the flu LOL. Keith L and myself have stated correct facts and in your ignorance that is the best you can say??? People like you will never change and I pray you come back in your next life (what you believe in) as an animal that some moron want's murdered in a horrible way. By the way I rehab animals in need and dont discriminate against big, small, furry, or not. It is a bright spot for me in this hate filled world. There is nothing better then watching an animal return to its family. Maybe someday someone can fix your broken wing aka mind. Again thank you to the town for choosing a positive option. Thank you Keith L for speaking from an educated stand point.
Keith L January 23, 2013 at 08:28 PM
Wow Tyler, that's all you have? I bring up facts and discredit your arguments and you can only respond by insulting me and another person? Thank you for showing everyone your lack of maturity, ignorance and overall stupidity. By the way, you say geese are not native. As I mentioned earlier, humans made them native. Are you of Native American (Indian) heritage? If you are not, then you are not native to your "home" area or this country. So I guess that means by your logic, you and your family should be rounded up and murdered. Actually, the geese and other animals are more native than you. More logic and fact thrown at you so I expect more ignorant, uneducated insults to spew from your mouth. This world needs more people like Misse & I & the other fine supporters chatting here. God bless you! Thank you to the town for not supporting murder. I pray to God that people like you Tyler never get any power in this world. Our animals, not to mention intelligence & compassion, will never stand a chance.
Onyx Embridge January 27, 2013 at 10:04 PM
Well, at least you are not killing live birds and in nature geese sometimes have eggs that don't hatch too; they may be infertile eggs or an inexperienced mother might leave her eggs too long and they get cold. Also the eggs have to be addled very soon after laying and there are a couple of simple tests that are usually used to ensure the embryo isn't too far developed.
Onyx Embridge January 27, 2013 at 10:09 PM
Excellent comment.....it always irritates me when I read these crazy comments that the 'geese stopped migrating' as if they were so stupid they forgot or too lazy so decided to stay where life was easy. The poor birds never learned migration; they had no choice. Many of them are also descendents of Canada geese that had their wings clipped and were kept by market hunters to lure wild migrating geese to hunting ponds.....when that became illegal decades ago all these captive flightless geese had to be released and of course they never migrated and couldn't pass it on to their offspring. That can be researched too. The poor goose has been totally manipulated by humans and now they are being demonized.
Onyx Embridge January 27, 2013 at 10:12 PM
I agree, my city has been addling eggs for many years and considers it the most effective humane method of managing urban geese. We have hundreds of year round permanent residents and they have never been a problem in any way; the city doesn't even addle eggs every year....last summer we had over 50 new goslings in one small area. They're birds, they're nature, they're beautiful and I can't understand why some communities have such a phobia about them.
Onyx Embridge January 27, 2013 at 10:17 PM
Tyler Durden, your comment about Canada geese displacing other waterfowl is ludicrous. We have tons of permanent resident Canada geese in Vancouver, BC and they coexist with all the other waterfowl including ducks, blue herons, seagulls, crows, and birds like wigeons and Buffheads, and shovellers that winter here. We also get a few greater white front geese and cackling geese that join the resident geese for the winter. The ducks like the geese around because they are such good guard birds. Canada geese can exist with any creature that doesn't not physically threaten them.
Onyx Embridge January 27, 2013 at 10:20 PM
Tyler Durden....you say the geese displace other waterfowl. Were you aware that humans have destroyed about 60% of the wetlands, which was the goose's natural habitat? You drained their homes to create fields, golf courses, airports, and suburbs then blame them for displacing other waterfowl? seriously I wonder where people's brains are sometimes.
Onyx Embridge January 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Goosechasers was being paid over $26,000 a year to chase geese out of parks. that's ludicrous. Saranac, NY bought a Naturesweep for $10,000 to pick up goose poop and they can recycle that into valuable compost. Egg addling to maintain a population and a Naturesweep would be a more effective, cheap way to coexist with these birds. "Daunais said it will take about two hours to clean one field with the machine. He said the district plans to use the Nature Sweep on a regular basis, but only on the fields where the geese have been congregating. "The last five years, the amount of time we've put into the geese, and the amount of money we've spent with gimmicks trying to do something, I think this will be cost effective compared to that," he said. Daunais said the district plans to create compost using the collected goose feces." http://adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/527020/Goose-poop-scooper-gets-trial-run.html
M. Leybra January 28, 2013 at 01:27 AM
Thanks to you for this post & to Durdin for inspiring you in his obliviousness as to how all animal species co-exist as opposed to humanity. Not to mention spewing the usual State Game Agency rhetoric demonizing all huntable, trappable species. Deer need to be hunted because they're destroying the forest understory, raccoons have decimated the NYS wood rat & are all likely all carry rabies. The beautiful snow geese are latest target, (supposedly destroying the Canada tundra vegetation since there's been a moritorium on hunting migrating canada geese that have been decimated from overhunting. Guess we need to control all these overpopulating animal species to keep them from destroying the natural environment.

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