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Lawmaker: Offensive Irish Clothing, Souvenirs Should Go

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Rockland County Legislator Patrick Moroney of Orangetown is taking issue with St. Patrick’s Day-themed paraphernalia that displays vulgar and derogatory messages and is on sale by a few merchants at Palisades Center mall in West Nyack.

“These items are deeply offensive, vulgar and inappropriate,” said Moroney. “The wording amounts to nothing more than ethnic bashing and is insensitive.  There are few cultures that take as much ribbing as the Irish and it escalates around this time of year. In addition, these shirts and hats are displayed in full view for our youngsters to see.”


Moroney is calling upon merchants throughout the county to halt the display and moreover, the sale, of any merchandise that displays offensive words or portrays any ethnicity in an insulting manner.

“The joyous occasion of our annual is only days away,” said Moroney.  “It is a time for everyone to join with those of Irish heritage to celebrate with respect and harmony, a great tradition.”

Rockland County's in Pearl River is the largest such parade in the region, outside of New York City. The parade, set for 1:30 p.m. Sunday in downtown Pearl River, could draw as many as 50,000 spectators.

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Watchdog March 13, 2012 at 01:28 pm
I agree with Pat on this. Catholics and the Irish appear to be easy targets. If these were about Muslims, Obama would apologize.
OTOH II do wish Mr.Moroney would've been more vocal on the $80 or $62 Million deficit so Ed Day does not take all the heat from the likes of Vanderhoef, Cornell and Schoenberger who are responsible for the deficit which STILL HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. How about it Pat Moroney?
Josephine Walsh March 13, 2012 at 01:44 pm
I totally agree with Legislator Moroney. St. Patrick's Day is a day on which the Irish celebrate the Patron Saint of Ireland, as well as New York. It is a day on which the Irish take much pride in their heritage. The demeaning and derogatory trash that is being sold in some of the stores is an insult to our ancestors and those who immigrated from Ireland to build a better life and those, in addition to so many others, who contributed to the growth of our Country. It is a very SPECIAL day for the Irish and I, for one, take great pride in the fact that my parents and all before them were born in Ireland. I am proud to be Irish-American!
Jenn March 13, 2012 at 01:57 pm
I fully agree too! Any other ethnic group would cry outrage and insult at the idiotic junk they try to pass off in celebration of the Irish for St. Patricks Day. WE are a proud race lets keep it that way and celebrate all the good we do and have done for ourselves and this country. Ban the insulting stereotypical garbage on St. Patrick's Day......... Rock on if your IRISH!!!!!!
Richard Kavesh March 13, 2012 at 03:09 pm
I'm as offended by these tawdry products as Pat is, whose restaurant I enjoyed on many occasions. The Irish have many, many reasons to be proud of their heritage -Ireland is a country of surpassing beauty whose people are as friendly as any people I've met in my travels to some 42 countries. County Donegal is about as close to heaven on earth as anyplace I've ever seen, and it's still an ambition of mine to climb St. Patrick's mountain itself, Craig Patrick.
I would only add that I find the bashing of any and all religious, ethnic, cultural, etc. groups to be equally offensive and I do wish that the Ancient Order of Hibernians would let Irish gays and lesbians march openly in their NYC parade. I realize that the AOH is a private group and runs a private parade and that they have the right to include and exclude whom they wish, but I do wish that they would open it up to all those who are proud of their Irish heritage regardless of their sexual orientation.
Mary March 13, 2012 at 03:19 pm
The one sure way to stop this degrading of the Irish is not to buy any of it. If the merchants don't make money and, in fact, are stuck with this merchandise they won't sell it next year. If the Irish, en masse, refused to buy anything from these merchants in the future it would put them out of business.
Micheal Glackens March 13, 2012 at 03:37 pm
Since when do Irish Americans have such thin liberal skin?
Karen March 13, 2012 at 03:48 pm
I am an American from Irish decent...We are all Americans if born here. ALL the time I spend in Ireland, I WISH I were Irish! It is ONLY America that we are our heritage and not country of Origin from birth!
I have not seen the shirts and items BUT I am sure I would be offended! I never go to the mall!
George C March 13, 2012 at 03:59 pm
Just don't buy the shirts. And make sure that any "vendors" selling them at the parade are licensed.
I'm more offended by the "we're #4" and the "Rockland County: the 4th highest taxed place on earth!" If we would focus on REAL problems we just might be able to fix the fiscal mess we are in.
Scott Walters March 13, 2012 at 04:57 pm
I'm no Irish. That said, this is just another HOLY DAY taken away from properly religous folks to be hijacked by the secularists out there and made into something completely againt the grain of what the original intention was.
SAINT Patrick was not about eating and drinking every green item available, nor was he really about parades and all that goes with that. No, he was a pious man who was brought to Ireland as a slave, and was able to better his life through his devotion to God. He was able to teach people about his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, This is not sexy, but rather, the truth. If people gave the day the respoect and dignity it deserved, then of course, we would have much less shenanigans than we currently find offensive and derogatory. Go to Ireland and see how it is celebrated there and learn a valuable lesson.
emetib March 13, 2012 at 08:32 pm
Foo Fah!
Watchdog March 13, 2012 at 08:32 pm
Gays are not excluded Richard. But banners announcing sexual orientation, gay, straight, crooked, sadomasochistic, etc. are prohibited. But if you are gay and want to march and belong to an organization that is marching you too can march. No one will or should ask you if you are gay, sadomasochistic, Muslim or Morman etc.
Watchdog March 13, 2012 at 08:37 pm
Be careful when you use the word Donkey in a conversation about the Irish, Mr. Mele.
Patrick Sarsfield March 13, 2012 at 08:38 pm
Good job Legislator Moroney. While this might not be the most pressing issue facing the County Legislature it is a pleasure to see someone express publicly that this is no longer the time of "Croppy Lie Down".
St. Patrick's Day has always beenmy favorite holiday, a time to celebrate all that was given by those who came before us and to hold it in trust for those who come after us. We celebrate our faith and our culture. Just as other ethnic/religious groups rightfully protect their holidays it is time that the Irish in America protect ours and demand the same level of respect that any other group gets.
Michael N. Hull March 13, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Go n-ithe an cat thú is go n-ithe an diabhal an cat
Legislator Ed Day March 14, 2012 at 01:03 am
Thank you, Watchdog, for your comments on the issue and your support of my efforts. Much appreciated. And agree 100% on those comments regarding the absolute "over the top items" being peddled. Caps reading "Fu*k Me I'm Irish" in plain view of children? I can take a joke about my heritage - either my Irish or Italian side - but that kind of stuff is offensive, disgusting, and at the very least has absolutely no place in the public view.
Just to clarify Pat Moroney's involvement in "doing the right thing" on the issue of County finances and your tax dollars. It was the roll of the dice that the issue came to a head at a meeting that Pat could not attend. But know that when the budget process got heated up in December, it was Pat who joined me on an alternative plan instead of raising your taxes 30%. While that was not accepted by the legislative leadership you referenced, know that Pat took the heat alongside me on the issue. Stay involved!
Watchdog March 14, 2012 at 01:28 am
Thanks for the clarification. Pat Moroney us a fone man. I have met hom several times in his Establishment. My point remains that instead of just voting,Mr. Moroney and the other Republican Legislators(who 9 out of 10 Rockanders could not even name) have to find more ways of getting vocal. One man alone cannot pull this heavy wagon. N need to respond. A lot of people I know appreciate your efforts.
Hagrid Miller March 14, 2012 at 05:27 am
I agree 100% that the material being sold is offensive, but even more so I believe that is unconstitutional. Following the Miller test (Miller v. California) it is clear that these items are, in fact, obscene and therefore not protected under the first amendment. (If interested in learning more paste the following link: http://courses.cs.vt.edu/cs3604/lib/Censorship/3-prong-test.html) On another note, Richard you bring up an excellent point about the Ancient Order of Hibernians and there explicit exclusion of the LGBTQ community. While this is allowed because of Hurley v. Irish American Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Group of Boston, it does not change the fact that the AOH can change there policies. So while I support Moroney in his endeavors to extinguish the Irish discrimination, I wish that he would be more vocal in aiding the LGBTQ community too. Just because he is not part of that community does not mean he shouldn't use his position to help. He is a member of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, and I would think that someone who deems these items as "deeply offensive, vulgar and inappropriate...insensitive." might think the same about the discriminatory policies of the AOH with regards to their St. Patrick's Day Parade. And Watchdog, if you cannot have the freedom to advertise your sexuality then you are being treated unfairly. And if the AOH can advertise their religion and descent, which is the criteria for admission, then shouldn't everyone else be given that same freedom?
Watchdog March 14, 2012 at 07:25 am
Gays are NOT excluded from marching in the St Patricks Day parade. PERIOD. The parade is about The IRISH, not a forum for advertising sexuality, PERIOD. No one is being descriminated against. Banners advertising "Straight" Orientation or other distractions from the theme of this private parade are also prohibited. For Kavesh to make his point he had to misrepresent the position of the AOH, by suggesting that the AOH "bashes" and "discriminates" which is patently false and equally offensive to the Irish Community on their special day.
Watchdog March 14, 2012 at 07:38 am
Hagid, you can advertise your sexuality until the cows come home but it is curious that you only want to advertise it in the parade of a private group. I do not see a lot of people doing that on a daily basis walking the streets. Your intolerance and disrespect for the views and traditions of others speaks volumes and bashing the Irish AOH in a forum about an entirely different subject (offensive material) is very curious indeed.
Scott Walters March 14, 2012 at 11:32 am
Mr. No courage (BenRound)
, I take a fine,fair and honest approach to all things and since you don't know me nor have met you you have no real idea about what kind of person I am. My appearance here in print is only part of who I am, I can assure you that I am not an Eeyore. But you wouldn't care as you would rather take a cavalier and seculatrist attitude to everything. I am not part of the problem....soemone who choses NOT TO USE THEIR name and snipe in this matter, however, is.
Hagrid Miller March 14, 2012 at 04:06 pm
Watchdog,
Let me make a few things clear before you harangue me any further. I am not a member of the LGBTQ community, nor do I wish to advertise that I am straight at AOH's parade. I am simply pointing out that while this parade is a celebratory tradition, some of the guidelines are antiquated. Furthermore, I did not intend to bash the Irish heritage, but simply point out an unfair criterion of the parade. And Watchdog I didn't know I was being intolerant and disrespectful to my own culture, I don't remember Ireland being the land where Gays should quietly abide. Would you care to explain how asking to change something, in what I think would be a positive direction, is intolerant and disrespectful to the views and traditions of others? This is not an argument that members SHOULD advertise their sexuality, but rather that they have the ABILITY to. And would you be able to find some facts that back up this idea that the TRADITIONAL St. Patrick's Day Parade hinges on this small stipulation that Gays cannot advertise their sexuality.
Watchdog March 14, 2012 at 04:27 pm
Hagrid, the views and traditions of the Irish in their privately organized parade is NOT to have ANYONE advertise their sexuality or non- sexuality and you are totally intolerant and disrespectful of these views. I will say it for the LASTTIME, gays, straights, crookeds, women who used to men, Mormans, Catholics and Jews and EVERYONE ELSE is permitted to join in celebration of Irish heritage.
To have YOUR GROUP to be singled out for permission to have a Banner advertising a subject having ZERO to do with Irish Heritage is unacceptable to a large majority of the Irish. This is opening a Pandorasbox no one is willing to open. Besides you have your own Gay Pride parade in NYC, with no one but Gays Permitted in varying stages of disgraceful undress " performing" for the crowd. I do not see you lobbying for the religous clergy or what you call straight people to march in that parade.
Hagrid Miller March 14, 2012 at 04:49 pm
Watchdog, since when is asking for change, not demanding it, intolerant and disrespectful?I don't remember Irish traditions and views being that no one should advertise their sexuality. If anything, being Irish is about stopping discrimination and hatred in any form, no matter how innocuous it might seem. The Irish faced persecution from the English for centuries, and it is my view that everyone should be treated COMPLETELY equal. Lobbying for change is simply a suggestion, which I do not see as disrespectful to the Irish culture, and you have yet to prove how it is. And this plea is not solely for members of the LGBTQ community, it is for everyone to have all of the same rights. And who are you to determine what is and what is not Irish heritage. If you are gay and of Irish descent then you are of Irish Heritage, thus shouldn't you be allowed to advertise your specific facet of the Irish heritage? Or do you believe that to be of Irish heritage you must acquiesce to a cookie-cutter image? And furthermore, I am willing to open the Pandora's box. It scares me that people who hold that view of "just leave it be, its not worth it" still exist after all of the progress the amazing country has made. And while I respect your right to an opinion, I do not respect your right to lie. You have misinformed the public about the Gay parade, which does not exclude anyone from its festivities. And even if it were the case, I would lobby for equality for all, regardless of the venue!
Maureen March 16, 2012 at 03:08 am
Watchdog:
Hagrid has accused you of misinforming the public about the Gay parade.  She accused me in a recent blog of having negative things to say and having little 'logos' in my arguments. Perhaps she should know that I am a fan of Oscar Wilde who remarked in 'The Picture of Dorian Gray' that "it is perfectly monstrous the way people go about, nowadays, saying things against one behind one’s back that are absolutely and entirely true". "The world is still deceived with ornament.  In law, what plea so tainted and corrupt,  but, being seasoned with a gracious voice, obscures the show of evil?  (The Merchant of Venice, 3.2.80) Perhaps we might excuse this 'Portia's' view on the St. Pat parade as I suspect her reading extends only to J.K. Rowling and not to Wilde or to Shakespeare.  Pseudo-Lawyers who think they know everything are very upsetting to people like me who do.   And, Watchdog,  you must forgive ME for this unfortunate intrusion into your life.  The reason Hagrid signed on to Patch is because I 'galvanized' her with my suspicions about a certain gentleman who asked for forgiveness. He is of course forgiven, but forgiveness does not require that one forgets the act that necessitated the forgiveness.  Or perhaps she was asking that I do that too? And so, Watchdog, please forgive me AND forget as I have forgiven BUT not for forgotten.
Hagrid Miller March 16, 2012 at 08:05 am
Maureen: I am sorry if I have offended you in any way, that was not my intention. While I disagree with many of your arguments, I have yet to result to the ad hominem you are employing against me currently. However, they did give me a good laugh, because of how far from the truth they actually are. I am a 20 year old male who attends college within the county. I have been bored as off late, and decided to opine in an open form, which yes you did play a pivotal role in "galvanizing". I've read the HP series, and to be honest I prefer Lord of the Rings better. Despite, all that I, once again, have a problem with your post. I'm not really sure how either of the quotes apply? I said everything to you in an open forum, and in no way malign you, but rather civilly addressed the arguments you made (in response to Wilde). As for the Shakespeare quote, I did not intend to surreptitiously offend, I was simply stating my opinion. And despite all our differences, it seems we can agree on one thing - Oscar Wilde. And while I do love Dorian Gray, I prefer another quote to explain my presence on the Patch. "Agitators are a set of interfering, meddling people, who come down to some perfectly contented class of the community, and sow the seeds of discontent amongst them. That is the reason why agitators are so absolutely necessary." - The Soul of Man under Socialism. I'm here to offer a voice to counter more conservative ones like yours and Watchdog's and many others.
Hagrid Miller March 16, 2012 at 08:22 am
Maureen (Continued): Also, I never intended to appear as someone who knows everything. I view these forums as places of learning too. I am always eager to hear what people have to say, and the notion that someone would think that they know everything is quite preposterous. Socrates (found in Apology) once said, "At any rate it seems that I am wiser than he is to this small extent, that I do not think I know what I do not know." I couldn't agree more with him, yet you believe that you defy the odds and do in fact know everything. You said, "Pseudo-Lawyers who think they know everything are very upsetting to PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO DO." I wasn't aware you knew everything, and I must admit that arguing with someone who knows everything takes a bit of the fun out of the fight. Once again, I meant no offense to you and was simply disagreeing with the arguments you made. It would be wrong for me to insinuate things about you, and I ask that in the future you find restraint before attacking people you know little about, outside of their views on the Patch. I hope that we can continue to have these conversation on this forum, but I will not sit idly and have you bully me.
Maureen March 16, 2012 at 10:21 am
Hagrid
Excellent response!   Welcome aboard. You have a very bright future ahead of you with the ability I see to articulate your views.  Hold on to this passion and poke some fun at yourself sometimes as I do when claiming to "know everything".  
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