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Lowey Calls For Online Restrictions Of Ammo And Assault Weapon Sales

Congresswoman says Second Amendment Rights are not infringed by proposed legislation

U.S. Rep. Nita Lowey, D-Harrison, called on her colleagues on Thursday to pass “common sense’ legislation to protect people and law enforcement. She spoke about the need for passage of the “Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act” to help prevent senseless violence in the wake of the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin that took many lives.

“This bill would require ammunition dealers to be licensed and maintain records of ammunition sales,” she said. “Those purchasing ammunition must do so in person and present photo identification which in effect prohibits the mass sale of ammunition online and through the mail.”

Lowey spoke at Clarkstown Town Hall in New City along with , Rockland County District Attorney Thomas Zugibe, Assemblywoman Ellen Jaffee, Rockland County Legislature Chairwoman Harriet Cornell, Clarkstown Town Board Members Shirley Lasker and Stephanie Hausner, and Haverstraw Supervisor Howard Phillips and Councilmember Hector Soto.

Lowey said law enforcement should never be in a position where they can be outgunned by someone with more ammunition. She said it should not take a tragedy to push the county into debating the merits of existing laws. 

Clarkstown Police Chief Michael Sullivan spoke in support of the legislation.

“With all due respect to the Second Amendment, I want to thank Congresswoman Lowey and Congresswoman McCarthy for bringing a good commonsense law to the House that will help solve violence and prevent violence in the future,” he said.

Lowey is a co-sponsor of legislation introduced by Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) to reinstate the assault weapons ban and restrict sale of large capacity magazines that can hold dozens of rounds of ammunition. 

asserted there was a need for the legislation to limit online sales of ammunition and weapons to protect citizens and law enforcement.

“Now we all here appreciate our right to bear arms and our right to defend ourselves and our home and our family,” he said. “To somehow suggest that the ability to buy anonymously unlimited quantities of ammunition which is going to be used offensively certainly not defensively is absurd. It’s something that needs to be tightened up immediately. “

He said restrictions should be applied to purchases of assault weapons.

“Assault weapons are never used defensively,” said Zugibe. “They’re used offensively. I think our founders would roll over in their graves if they saw the extent to which people try to extend the second amendment.”

Assemblywoman Ellen Jaffee voiced her support, saying action was needed so people can feel comfortable going about their daily lives.

“Limiting access, controlling access and making assault weapons and high caliber ammunition more difficult to purchase is a step, absolutely a step in the right direction,” she said.

Cornell characterized the bill as government assuring the safety of the public.

About 10 opponents of the legislation showed up at the Clarkstown Police Department but did not get a chance to speak with Lowey. They held signs

“We oppose the Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act.”

Irene Tiburcio of Chestnut Ridge explained her objections to the bill.

“We believe it is an infringement upon our Second Amendment rights,” she said. “This bill may also include or they may sneak in other aspects of gun sales or ammunition sales other than online. It may require dealers to go through stringent regulation prior to any ammunition sales.”

Kevin Stelling of Clarkstown said his opposition to the bill was not based on politics but for keeping his individual rights. He said criminals would get ammunition and guns regardless of the law.

“There are other steps available to screen buyers,” he said. “There are more methodical ways of screening buyers.”

Lynn Teger August 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM
The reason we did not get a chance to speak with Lowey, is because when she realized that we were there to oppose this bill, we were not permitted into the press conference. For us to be restricted from entering a public press conference by public officials is, in and of itself a violation of the sunshine law in New York State. The right to bear arms is gradually, piece by piece, being taken from American citizens. Internet sales, of all sales, are the most trackable since a credit card must be used for online sales. It is not the gun that kills. The problem lies with what is going on in our society that causes people to be killed. What is really being targeted here is, "Under the guise of a proposed global “Small Arms Treaty” premised to fight “terrorism”, “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates” you can be quite certain that an even more insidious threat is being targeted – our Constitutional right for law-abiding citizens to own and bear arms." http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/ Taking away the right to bear arms from the ordinary citizen, will only keep the individual citizen defenseless, while the criminals and crazies will still find ways to get access to guns and ammunition.
GWashington August 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Leave my 2nd Amendment rights alone.
John R. August 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM
“Limiting access, controlling access and making assault weapons and high caliber ammunition more difficult to purchase is a step, absolutely a step in the right direction,” she said. Limiting, controlling and making more difficult to purchase are the key phrases here - law abiding citizens again being "controlled" regarding the manner in which they are "allowed" to protect themselves. Does anyone believe that criminals will abide by any of these laws. Enforce the laws we have, allow psych records to be incorporated in the federal database used for background checks and prosecute those who use firearms in crimes - all common sense initiatives that will have a positive effect on the problem.
Joseph Coe August 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Thank you Congresswoman Lowey and all the other elected officials who are pushing for this bill. I find the quotes from the protesters troublesome. What is the value of a human of a life? “We believe it is an infringement upon our Second Amendment rights,” she said. “This bill may also include or they may sneak in other aspects of gun sales or ammunition sales other than online. It may require dealers to go through stringent regulation prior to any ammunition sales.” Seriously----- it's a bad thing for regulation? One life saved from "stringent regulation" would be worth it. Murder is a bigger infringement that regulating gun purchases.
Michael Gries August 10, 2012 at 01:03 PM
This would not stop the bad guys from obtaining weapons and ammo. Just makes it harder to protect ourselves.
Andromachos August 10, 2012 at 02:08 PM
Maybe we can make a law against shooting other people without justification. That should stop it. BTW an assault weapons has Never been used in defense? That is certainly a difficult statement to defend.
Vince Gram August 10, 2012 at 02:13 PM
First thing Rep Lowey should realize if they would do research subjects before coming out with stupid remarks!! If you purchase a Firearm online it gets shipped to a Store/Person who holds a FFL (Federal Firearms License) and you have to show ID and then they go online and file your firearm with the ATF and then they call the ATF to get confirmation for the purchase!!! As far as Ammo in bulk, that helps with Price not everyone who purchased Ammo is a mass murderer! Their are checks and balances with Online purchases of Firearms our Colorado moron went to Dicks Sporting Goods store (a Brick and mortar) NOT ONLINE!!! Not everyone who shoots a Firearm reloads their Ammo so they have to purchase Ammo and online is a way to save money.
Walt August 10, 2012 at 02:27 PM
The Patch should change the headline from "Restrictions" to BAN, because that's what it is. Secondly, maintaining a database ("maintain records of ammunition sales") that identifies legal gun holders is a violation of the 2nd amendment. Nita should get some stimulus money from obama's trillion dollar fund to help pay for the TZ Bridge instead of looking for easy headlines and capitalizing on Aurora and Oak Creek.
Dan Seidel August 10, 2012 at 02:33 PM
People: watch the video on the Battle of Athens, GA. Then read the news articles. Then think thru your knee jerk and feel good reactions to tragedy. Step back and analyze this on a Constitutional basis. I think you will come to the realization that banning online purchases of ammo is a very bad idea; and Constitutionally defective in applicability.
Lynn Teger August 10, 2012 at 03:13 PM
As one of our founding fathers stated, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
Lynn Teger August 10, 2012 at 03:17 PM
Refresher course on firearms. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3949432347174&notif_t=video_comment
Lanimilbus August 10, 2012 at 03:20 PM
The fundamental question to those skeptical of any gun regulation: do you believe that there should be certain persons, based on previous criminal and personal histories (felons, those committed to mental hospitals, etc.) prohibited from purchasing firearms and related accessories? Why is that we place restrictions on other amendments - clear and present danger (Sheneck), fighting words (Chaplinsky), jailing journalists for failing to divulge sources (Judith Miller), permits for protests/free speech zones - yet we can't regulate the only amendment with the word 'regulate' in it? If you agree that we shouldn't be able to posses a nuclear weapon or conceal a grenade launcher, then yes, you agree with some restrictions/regulations of the 2nd amendment - we're then just debating degrees. SCOTUS was very clear in its Heller/McDonald rulings that some regulations are permissible. While correlation by no means equal causation, are we willing to ignore that crimes involving the weapons and accessories prohibited by the Assault Weapons Ban went down after its enactment, then went up when it lapsed? And remember, one of the biggest proponents of both the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban was President Ronald Reagan. Who's willing to break the 11th Commandment on that one?
Bruce Cohen August 10, 2012 at 04:35 PM
I'm a competitive handgun shooter (I don't hunt) and I really take exception to these knee-jerk reactions to some of the current crimes that have been committed. Imposing new "mindless" laws when we have not even tried to enforce the ones we already have is not only foolish, but financially wasteful. The lack of any attempt to utilize common sense and correct information by these mostly up for re-election politicians amounts to sheer grandstanding when they have nothing else to offer the voting population. Lowery has, in my understanding, done little to nothing constructive for Rockland County. And I wonder if she should continue to "represent (on paper)" us. How about we all get together and remedy this inequality. Let's start a REMOVE NITA LOWERY action to keep her (another millionaire with nothing else better to do) on her side of the river). Because even if she's correct (which isn't true at all), lets send her useless self back to Westchester. Anyone interested? Post your desire to join and we'll try to start a real attempt to get intelligent, knowledgeable and caring candidates for Rockland.
Matt D August 10, 2012 at 06:33 PM
This ammo issue is so stupid. Rarely in even the most horrific crimes are more than a 100 rounds fired. Let's say 200 for point of argument. But the wish to ban the sales of 1000 rounds as that makes someone inherently more dangerous. Breaking news for you clueless anit-gun dolts. People that buy in large quantities shoot a lot. They aren't any more likely to use a firearm to commit a crime than if they just bought a box of 50 rounds. Internet ammo sales means the chance to buy it from someone maintaining a warehouse vs. a regular store. With packers and shipper vs a sales staff. With this reduced overhead they offer cheaper prices and thus frequent shooter, often competitors in shooting sports buy it this way. I respect the opinions of someone that knows the issues yet still wants more gun control regulations. Disagree of course, but respect. But only a moron would propose the Lowey legislation because it reveals how little they truly know about the issue and how they allow their emotions to over rule their brains.
John Taggart August 10, 2012 at 08:51 PM
More feel good, neejerk, political reaction to an incident that happened half way across the country. Will a new law on buying ammo have stopped the security guard from being stabbed at the mall the other day ? Or the dope firing a shot gun off his roof ? Or the NYC cyclists from running red lights ? Or lower the tolls on the Tap ? Or get business and construction creating jobs again ? Thanks for all the help Ms. Lowey
Joseph Reiter August 10, 2012 at 09:46 PM
What is the value of a human of a life? Our founding fathers were very clear on their position. Lynn Teger answered this question: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin. "Give me liberty or give me death." - Patrick Henry. If our founding fathers had placed their safety over their freedom we would still be bowing down to a King. The second ammendment is not anout home defense, it is about freedom. Societies have experimented with giving up their freedom for security and prosperity. Remember Nazi Germany? How many lives did that little experiment save?
Lynn Teger August 11, 2012 at 03:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MB_rmUgH5o&feature=related
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM
"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of squeezed out text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johson, June 12, 1823, "The Complete Jefferson", p.322.
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 11:10 AM
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - uinlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms".- James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 @243-244.
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 11:12 AM
"To disarm the people (is) the best and most effeicient way to enslave them..." - George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates @380.
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 11:22 AM
"The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."- Samuel Adams, Debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusette, 86-87 (also reported in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, 8/20/1789).
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM
one more: "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military force which must occassionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the Article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." - Tench Coxe, in "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution", penned under the pseudnonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, 6/18/1789, pg.2, col.1. Back in the day, it was the rage to post and print under pseudonyms, anonymously, without fear of government reprisal - The Federalist Papers - and "bully" the opponents thru printed words. Gotta love Freedom of Speech and the US Constitution!!!!! I do!!!!!
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 11:42 AM
The news articles and re-enactment of the Battle of Athens and Etowah: http://youtu.be/U5ut6yPrObw
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Lynn posted some goodies!! View, educate, learn, decide. The key to a good governance is an informed and educated Citzenry.
Lynn Teger August 11, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Bruce: I wholeheartedly agree with your comments and the others here about preserving our 2nd amendment rights. I would like to address one particular comment you made, "Lowery has, in my understanding, done little to nothing constructive for Rockland County. And I wonder if she should continue to "represent (on paper)" us." Lowey has shown at her recent press conference that she does not represent the people. Some people (myself included) showed up at her press conference and she would not allow her own constituents into the meeting to ask questions and voice their concerns about this bill. She came to Rockland County purely to voice her support of this bill and invited other like-minded politicians from our area who also do not care what their constituents have to say, because every elected official at that conference went along with restricting our access to that conference. I have also seen this type of behavior at Town and other government board meetings where people get up at the public portions of the meeting to speak and the local politicians do not give a flying hoot how we feel and continue to go along with their planned agenda. Citizens in Rockland need to step up to the plate and begin attending these meetings and making their voice heard LOUD AND CLEAR.
Dan Seidel August 11, 2012 at 01:04 PM
A very well done "Firearms Refresher Course" (h/t Lynn!) on YouTube: incorporates famous oil paintings, Battle Hymn of the Republic (patriotic song) as well as learned sayings of the Framers and Founding Fathers. - worth the watch: http://youtu.be/VuJ_sj5JvsQ
Anthony Mele February 19, 2013 at 05:55 PM
Here is Common-sense: "Banning guns to prevent crime, is like banning gravity to prevent from falling down." ~ Anthony Mele Thousands gathered in Albany to make the point clear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD15A4Z7v34

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