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Town of Clarkstown, School District Fight Palisades Center’s Tax Appeal

Mall in West Nyack seeks reduction of property taxes for three years.

 

The Palisades Center filed a challenge to its Town of Clarkstown and Clarkstown School District property tax assessments for the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 in Rockland County Supreme Court. The non-jury trial on the tax certiorari is scheduled to begin on Monday, May 14 before Judge Margaret Garvey.

The 42 parcels that make up the shopping center in West Nyack had an assessed value of $252,958,700 for each of the three years.

Clarkstown Town Supervisor Alex Gromack said he believes the town assessor’s valuations of the property were accurate.

“We have a lot of confidence in Cathy Conklin’s assessment record,” he said. 

Gromack said the town and school district have a joint fund to pay for the legal representation. Special Counsel Kaye Scholer LLP of New York City has been retained to handle the tax cert case. Gromack said the firm was hired because of its expertise in large mall cases and represented the town and school district in a prior challenge eight years ago in which the mall’s tax grievance was denied.

The law firm of Gilberti Stinziano Heint & Smith PC of Syracuse represents the mall. The four-level mall has 2.2 million square feet of gross leasable area. Eklecco Newco LLC owns the Palisades Center. 

if I read it correctly...and it follows what is really happening ..Moodys just downgraded rockland to the lowest rating of all the countys in New York State..I refuse to believe one word of anyone in clarkstown telling us everything is okay..each town is part of the whole....so in my view...we most likey are getting a Madoff explanation of "its all okay" if it feels like trash...smells like trash....it also must taste like trash...the COUNTY is sinking as fast as the titanic..and no one thinks we need life perservers....if clarkstown was the titanic..they would have told everyone'relax dont board those lifeboats everything is ok..its all in your imagination that we are sinking!!!!!!!!!!!hopefully the Mall gets its reduction....as it is a independent business....it is not worth what it used to be...maybe we can borrow The Donald and have him walk up and down Maple ave yelling"Your Fired!!!!!!!!!
fred May 11, 2012 at 12:27 AM
People who cut the ball fields don't come close to making 80000 a year and town employees do pay into their benefits and pensions and co pays
fred May 11, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Another thing why is the county using granite curbing on new Hempstead rd they should use concrete and save a TON of money
WR May 11, 2012 at 01:52 AM
Being jealous of the salaries that others make is not terribly productive. Public employees are the current, easy (and lazy) hit points for conservatives and their libertarian friends it seems, but most of the tax expense beyond providing actual services from those employees - who live here and are our middle-class neighbors in most case, not some weird, wealthy cult - go to assistance programs, city improvements, etc. There should always be evaluations of efficiency in numbers of employees needed to support various roles, etc. but it's really not helpful to start bashing reasonable people working for reasonable salaries. Unless you're jealous, that is.
WR May 11, 2012 at 01:54 AM
Well yes (and, I have relatives and friends in town who work for Clarkstown and County governments - these folks are not raking it in, nor do they underperform in their roles), but it's the easy blame of government du jour by primarily conservative and extreme libertarian politicians that seem to promote these simplistic lies, which find their own lives into even humble forums such as these.
one visual and its not a pretty one..who allowed the destruction of all those magnificent rees on main street?oh wait the clerk of da works ?why was it done after the fall foliage??well the stret looks as ugly as one can make it..oops I know they are replacing the pipes..but all main street looks like now isa very distasteful sprawl of mismatched strip centers and various odd looking buildings..its not a class street like many NJ towns are..ie..westwood..ridgewood...englewood..and it will take what 50 plus years for those great trees to come back?even by TD bank and the resturant next to it once it was beautiful now not that bad..but not like it used to be..I give the way main street looks a d-
WR May 11, 2012 at 02:35 PM
The buildup of New City's main street is actually looking pretty nice, if you ask me. And, I'm not sure if you realize, but places like Ridgewood's village center are rather different in terms of history and purpose compared to New City's main strip - plus, I don't see how Ridgewood built anything new in the past 20-30 years as stores simply swapped locations or replaced others outright. Perhaps you also don't realize the incredible local tax burdens placed on Ridgewood residents compared to New City - I feel your rant about the sad necessity to cut the trees down on one end of the main street here is off the mark.
wow wade...how many relatives are you protecting who are working for the clowntown?..bottom is as follows..the street is horrific looking.like residents are actually going to sit on benchs in the sunlight and do what?.when you look down the street it is not pretty..if a homeowner wanted to take down I think 5 trees they have to get permission from the town..the bottom line is as follows and every business owner should worry..many residents drive to westwood and englewood and other nicer looking towns and ready??? we buy things there..eat in the resturants there..every dollar spent there is NOT spent on main street in new city.I have met many local people in many nj towns..and its amazing how many times it has happened..that you find the street pretty is another story...it is a disaster visually and I dont mean the road repairs..totally wrong to destroy old beautful trees..and as I have said many times the 2 lanes going south at the funeral home is NOT SAFE.......whats the big deal if clarksclown residents have to wait to make a right turn?isnt driving about safety??????anyone have an accident record of that corner or is that too a big secret??????????
Mike Hirsch May 11, 2012 at 03:31 PM
As long as Alex doesn't plant a big statue to his magnificence, I'm ok with Main Street.
WR May 11, 2012 at 04:31 PM
Now you're criticizing sunlight - that's showing how odd your complaints sound to me. Further, you're reacting to a temporary situation of the trees being taken down for piping/roadwork as if those few blocks have destroyed the entire mile+ street, ignoring the beautification work in New City that started at the *other* end of the main strip. Have you see any of the work happening from the courthouse/park area that's working southward? This work has not reached the funeral home end to begin addressing how that intersection will be redone, either. It seems you're just being cranky without offering anything productive, which is merely a waste of anyone's time. As for your conspiracies (clowntown? Do you even live here?) I actually lived in Ridgewood for years and now reside in Clarkstown, so you're bluffing the wrong commenter. Westwood and Englewood downtown areas also have rather different histories, building styles and even surrounding income levels compared to New City, so again you are comparing apples to oranges and not making much sense to me. Is New City meeting the needs of locals and nearby residents and how does it's in-process development potentially improve that outlook? That's the question to ask, rather than merely whining.
Paul J. Cohen May 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Do any of you have any idea of the overinflated rents that the mall is asking? Maybe you should be looking at that - oh yeah and while we are on the subject - the mall forces all of its tenants to use their cash registers. Do you know why? So they can take a percentage of the profits. So not only do businesses pay incredibly high rent - they pay a portion of their profits as well. That is the reason so many of the more "upscale" stores have left. They could not make it there. It was just too expensive. It's very easy to rent space if you have reasonable rates. I guess the mall's mortgage is just too much for them to not collect the high rents they are asking.
wow Paul you must be a retail expert!!!!!!!!!listen up..when stores do the volume..the rent is never an issue..the mall at wetchester and short hills and riverside in nj charge a lot more...as stated many times..this county is a mixture of diversity. every town and county employee thinks this is beverely hills or park ave in their salaries..what the JN should publish is.."the following list is of county and townie employees who make"MORE THAN THE GOVENOUR" I would love to see that list..see how many in this little "pinpoint" of a county make more than "Cuomo" and paul....without cash registers how can the state legally"know" how much sales tax is being collected????????????so paul you would allow store owners to avoid collecting taxes? amazing!!!!!but you are way off baseony our retail deductions you have no clue
WR May 14, 2012 at 01:10 PM
There you go again with your spouting of uninformed, Teabagger-like blather. I know a number of Rockland County employees and your apparent hatred and/or jealousy that they have jobs with the local government cannot change their reality of being firmly middle class in income and benefits. It's reality and you'd rather be a lazy thinker, spouting nonsense that these are somehow special people with highly cushy and overpaid jobs, but it shows that you truly don't understand who works in these office and other positions. As if working at all for the government is supposed to be an instant negative, such that our neighbors with jobs from Clarkstown or Rockland should endure your weird biases and take pay cuts or perhaps even lose their jobs because . . . why? You want them to not be able to pay their mortgages? BTW, cash registers have never been a requirement for retail businesses paying taxes - is this your way of knee-jerk defending the top 1% who "own" Palisades Mall? http://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/record-keeping_requirements_for_sales_tax_vendors.htm
Watchdog May 14, 2012 at 01:10 PM
Taking a % of sales is a common practice with retail leases.
Watchdog May 14, 2012 at 01:22 PM
Town and County governments are in a large part patronage mills for Disengenious and dishonest politicians.
Paul J. Cohen May 14, 2012 at 01:36 PM
What kind of drugs are you on - becuase you are quite delusional. No store is ever going to do the kind of volume necessary to pay those kind of rents. I know because I personally inquired about renting a store in the mall. I won't divluge the details but lets just say that over $1,000,000 a year is no bargain despite the so called "volume" the mall claims to generate. I don't know where you are getting your information from but you should try and apply for a county job. See how much those positions pay! Just who do you think is making all this money? I know our police and law enforcement make a good living - but they deserve it. We are always listed as one of the safest places to live. Do you think the police will do the job they are doing for sub-par wages? I doubt it. As for your last comment, I don't even know where to begin! I am not saying not to use cash registers. ALL businesses use cash registers. BUT, if you are a tenant of the mall you are forced to use one of THEIR cash registers so THEY can monitor your sales. I am certainly not saying that businesses should not collect sales tax or that the State should not know how much they are taking in as sales tax. How do other businesses report sales tax? They have accountants to do that, not some real estate management company looking to make more money. Sir/Madam - you are the one without a clue. Base your accusations on fact and not fantasy.
let me state my view in a simple way...the county is what???50 to 60 million in the red???anyone ???so they cant balance their business..correct? as per little paulie.. NO store can exist without the volume..but a county and all towns "can "circumvent that"little issue" by making US the TAXPAYER a/k/a the workers bosses..as we the taxpayer do foot the bills..as I stated I would love to see the newspapers "list" all workers for countys and towns making more than Cuomo!!! again we are the ones footing thses salaries.. atownie clerk made over 110,000 a year before he got elected in ny..cough cough...a clerk of the works makes over 150,000? a cop mananging less than 200 other cops makes more than kelly or Cuomo?sad commentarty to what was built up in way too many towns over the last 20 years..thats why home prices have tanked and will stay way off their old highs.despite 3 to 4% mortgages..there is very little demand.people read real newspapers and see how many cities and towns are close to filing for protection..wake up people..and PAUL...the mall owners own about 16 other shopping centers so they do know what they are doing...maybe open on main street in new city!!!!!cough cough cough
Paul J. Cohen May 14, 2012 at 02:25 PM
WOW! All I can say is ... WOW! Are you really that ignorant or just crazy? You think Rockland is the only county with money problems? You can thank your President for that "change." I don't even want to start that conversation with you. I too would like to see the salaries of these so called clerks you are writing about. Home prices have not tanked because of the local government, real estate prices have tanked everywhere. The mall owners do not have my sympathy they should know what they are doing, that is their business. I agree, Main Street is a mess right now, but it's not like people are not working on it. It is going to take time, and I really feel sorry for the businesses on Main Street that have to deal with all of this but in the end it is really for the better. I don't like it when I am sitting in traffic trying to get to a store but I try to patronize our local businesses whenever I can.
mall owners cant demand that shoppers buy a thing...every sinlge chain stores computers analize what shoppers purchase in their stores...Macys in the garden state mallis a"A" store..they carry more inventory higher priced items etc etc..WHY? because their software cn use zipcodes and analize spending..then the stores adapts their inventory to the demand.. a store that closed in the mall had very little higher end selection...BUT their riverside and Montvale stores had deeper selections..WHY? because the shoppers bought more of those items in those stores.Palisades stores are mostly on the lower spectrum of inventory requirements based on what shoppers purchase..its all scientific today..the stores that close cant do the business because of who is shopping in this area..and what they buy..the Mall has a strong defense for lowering their taxes..I hope they win!!!!look around the roads surrounding it..one building has 4 for sale signs..ISNT THAT ILLEGAL?? isnt their anyone working on maple ave driving around to enforce the laws?it is not a pretty picture around that mall..this county is what it is...nuff said..
Jim May 14, 2012 at 04:27 PM
Wish more people would patronize local businesses like you do Paul. Most just want to run to Jersey where the gas is cheaper, the roads are nicer & the taxes are less on anything you buy. Such a shame & wish we had a more proactive chamber of commerce who instead of playing politician would really look out for the interests of the local businesses. And that doesn't mean having open air markets with out of town businesses. It further erodes our business community.
Pat May 14, 2012 at 04:41 PM
Ummm Paul, just a heads up but house prices in our area are down 30-40% from the high mark. If that isn't tanking then I would hate to see what is. As far as "they're working on it", the only solution that is ever proposed by local government is to raise taxes and not cut any spending.
Paul J. Cohen May 14, 2012 at 06:58 PM
Pat, take a look around, home prices are down all over - not just here in Rockland. The true cause of real estate tanking is the fact that mortgage companies took advantage of buyers. Many people I know lost their homes becuase they could not pay their mortgages. Add to that the fact that Hedge funds and insurance companies were playing the "default swap" game and you will truly know why we are in the state we are in. If you don't know what a default swap is I suggest you google the term and see what these people have done to all of us. You missed my point on "they are working on it" - they are working on reparing and fixing Main Street. My question to you is: How do you cut spending? Who is going to suffer? Maybe you don't have kids and you don't care if the schools turn to you know what. But I do have kids and I do care about our schools. I don't claim to know what the solution is but I do know what it isn't.
rex merrins July 01, 2012 at 07:45 PM
THE PROBLEM IS THE LOCALS ATTITUDES TOWARDS THE MALL I HATE IT I DONT SHOP THERE ETC. SO THATS WHY PALISADES LOST GOOD STORES. ITS NOT THE MALLS FAULT ITS THE LACK OF ALL OF YOU NOT PATRONIZING THE MALL/WHY IS MACYS AT GARDEN STATE IS AN A STORE BECAUSE YOU ALL GO THERE THATS WHY PALISADES SHOULD BE AN A STORE AS WELL. NANUET SHOULD BE AN D- STORE., YOU ALL MUST REALIZE TOO THE RECESSION ALSO DIDNT HELP AND GARDEN STATE LOST MANY STORES AS WELL WILLIAM SONOMA CLOSED THERE AS WELL NOW RESTORATION HARDWARE CLOSED AT GARDEN STATE AND KEPT PALISADES OPEN GO FIGURE.
Paul J. Cohen July 01, 2012 at 10:44 PM
That is completely untrue. People shop in NJ because there is no sales tax on clothes and because NJ is so close to Rockland. People also do not patronize the mall because of the type of people who patronize the mall. People who come from the Bronx or westchester and not from the "good" areas make it unpleasant for people who actually want to shop. Not that all of them are bad. I don't want to generalize at all but if you look at the police blotter you will see where most of the trouble makers come from. And besides what does any of that have to do with the mall paying their fair share of taxes?
WR July 01, 2012 at 11:18 PM
rex merrins: my spouse prefers not to shop at Palisades Mall . . . because they don't pay their fair share of local taxes. So, she used to visit Nanuet Mall and now frequents Garden State Plaza.
rex merrins July 02, 2012 at 09:54 AM
I WORKED AT GARDEN STATE PLAZA AND DONT TELL ME THEY DONT HAVE CRIME THEY GET THEIR SHARE FROM THE BRONX AND PATERSON AND NEWARK, ALL MALLS HAVE THEIR SHARE OF PROBLEMS YEARS AGO WHEN I LIVED IN FISHKILL NY THE POUGHKEEPSIE GALLERIA HAD GANG PROBLEMS. EVEN WHERE MY FAMILY LIVES IN RALEIGH N,C ONE THEIR MALLS HAD GANG PROBLEMS NOW THEY HAVE FIXED THE PROBLEM. SO YOU ALL THINK PALISADES IS THE ONLY MALL WITH CRIME ALL MALLS DRAW THE RIF RAF AND DONT THINK IT WONT HAPPEN AT SHOPS AT NANUET IT WILL DRAM THE RIF RAF FROM SPRING VALLEY AND HAVERSTRAW, NANUET MALL HAD ITS SHARE OF CRIME BEFORE PALISADES OPENED I USED TO WORK AT STERNS.,AND GANGS OF KIDS WOULD HANG OUT AT NIGHT ON THE STEPS NEAR SEARS,I DIDNT FEEL SAFE GOING TO GET THE BUS SO THESE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES .YOU ALL ARE MAKING BERGEN COUNTY RICHER AND HURTING YOURSELVES THE MALL AND THE COUNTY BY NOT SPENDING HERE IN ROCKLAND. 60 PERCENT OF STORES IN GARDEN STATE ARE IN PALISADES YOU ARENT SAVING WASTING TIME MONEY AND GAS GOING TO NJ SAVING TAX. HOW CAN PALISADES PAY THE TAXES IF THEY DO NOT GET ENOUGH VOLUMME OF BUSINESS FROM YOU THE RESIDENTS OF ROCKLAND. THE PARAMUS RESIDENTS KEEP THEIR MALLS GOING DESPITE WHAT RIF RAF SHOPS AT THEIR MALLS.UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS THE WAY SOCIETY IS TODAY THERE US NO STOPPING OR ESCAPING IT.
Walt July 02, 2012 at 12:35 PM
IF YOU THINK WE SHOULD SHOP AT PALISADES BECAUSE OF CIVIC PRIDE YOU'RE NUTS, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT MY PROPERTY TAX BILL, I SHOULD BE THE RC MAN OF THE YEAR (along with most every other RC homeowner). Palisades is ugly, cavernous and generally looks empty because of it's design. Garden State Plaza is a nicer and more vibrant mall. Couple the fact that you pay considerably lower sales tax in NJ and you can fill up your car once you are for about 20% less make going there an easy decision.
Paul J. Cohen July 02, 2012 at 12:47 PM
@Walt - hallelujah brother and amen. Finally someone who actually gets it. One more thing. Now go and ban smoking just to alienate more of your shoppers. I am a former smoker and I hate the smell, smoke etc. myself but when are we just going to accept that people smoke. You don't like smoke just stay away. It's not up to everyone else to watch out for you.
rex merrins July 02, 2012 at 09:39 PM
THEY BANNED SMOKING AT GALLERIA AT CRYSTAL RUN IN MIDDLETOWN NY AND POUGHKEEPSIE GALLERIA AS WELL.
rex merrins July 02, 2012 at 09:42 PM
SURE SHOP WITH THE SNOBS AT MEIMAN MARCUS IN GSP. I LIKE GSP BUT I DO LIKE TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY WHERE I LIVE TOO. BERGEN COUNTY HAS ENOUGH MONEY AND SUPPORT ROCKLAND IS 90 MILLION IN THE HOLE.ISHOP PALISADES FOR SHOPPING AND DINING NOT A WALK IN THE PARK.

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