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Utility "Double Wood" Proliferates In Clarkstown

Town looks to stem the repeat reappearance of double and triple utility poles

 

In 2008 Clarkstown saw a proliferation of “double wood,” the term used for two or three utility poles in one location. At that time the town counted 608 double wood conditions in town, county and state right-of-ways. After a concerted effort to reduce the number by working with the utility companies, they have reappeared and now number between 500 and 600.

Deputy Town Attorney Jeff Millman told the town board an effort to reduce the number of double poles after the 2008 count was successful and they decreased to 200 by 2009 and 2010. However, that did not last for long.

“We found that in 2012, the roads did not look as clean as 2010,” Millman said at Tuesday’s town board workshop.

“Double wood” is used when poles are damaged and the utility connections need to be transferred or if a stronger pole is necessary to hold heavier equipment.  The original pole is supposed to be removed within 30 days according to a Joint Use Agreement among utilities. Another concern that Millman brought up is double poles can obstruct a driver's view. 

Because multiple utilties use the poles Millman explained the process of notification would start with O&R if it installed a new pole because of heavier equipment. Orange & Rockland is then supposed to advise Verizon to transfer its equipment and then the phone company tells Cablevision when its work is completed.    

The town formed a task force last year that went to each double wood location, identified it and took photos. In March 2012, a CD with all of the sites was given to O&R, Verizon and Cablevision. 

“I can tell you there has been very little cooperation,” Millman said, noting the number of double wood conditions has not decreased since 2012 and specifically mentioning West Nyack Road.

Millman proposed a course of action for the town board that included drafting legislation for a local law.  Under the law, he said a violation notice would be sent to utilities about each double pole location on town roads and give them 90 days to remove it. 

Millman said 90 days is ample time because a double pole can be removed in four to eight hours. Fines would be levied if the double pole was not removed. Millman recommended a fine of $1,000 per month per utility for each double pole.

“Every month thereafter it’s an additional $1,000 fine to the utilities that are responsible for the double wood condition,” said Millman. “And then it becomes an enforcement issue at that point.”

Tony T February 13, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Maybe we need a "Task Force" to drive around Clarkstown and identify areas that a covered with litter, garbage and debris and get it clean? Or maybe members of the Town Council as they drive around Clarkstown could take it upon themselves to report garbage strewn areas to the Highway/Sheriff Dept for cleaning??
Tony..
the only things the town people can do is to identify food...double burgers!!!double portions...thin isnt in... they allow countles trash containers without stickers....drive around and see many houses with more than"one" unlicensed car parked on the driveway...there is a house ..on route 304 between germonds road and ludvig with a SUV all tires flat right near 304..SOOOO pretty!!!!!!not..this town should"LOOK UP WHAT REVITILIZATION MEANS" they are failing in terms of keeping it clean..as far as I am concerned main street just Mimics the rest of this UNKEMPT.. circus town///but a task force to find double poles???how much was the hourly pay????200.00?
Tom February 13, 2013 at 01:18 pm
I remember maybe 10-12 years ago when the Clarkstown Highway Department announced that they would enforce the requirement that private signs not be posted closer than 10 feet from a town road...and so they swept through the town and collected all signs, and declared that this enforcement would be permanent.That effort was very well intended, and had an immediate and positive effect on the appearance of our town. But that effort, like enforcement of leaves and yard debris in the street, like enforcement of not putting out household trash more than 1 day before pickup, like any proposed legislation for "double wood", will fail due to the apathy of our town administration.
Hey Clarkstown, how about enforcing ANY of the existing laws so you can gain a shred of credibility before threatening the utilities that really are not the least bit intimidated by you clowns.
Joe Ciardullo February 13, 2013 at 01:43 pm
Enforcement would require more money, We pay our code enforcer the small amount of $106,765. He put in for $74,363 in overtime. So how much code enforcement do you want for $181128.88? We would have to spend 5 times that amount to actually enforce the codes we have. After all, we can't just go out and hire part time code enforcers for $20-30 per hour. Or actually make the fines much higher to deter not following the codes to begin with.
Remember Clarkstown does not operate in the "Real World", it's Bizzaro World.
Tom..heres a thought maybe they can get the75,000 part time during one of his coffee breaks to call the utiliites..
and they are going to spend 5 million of borrowed money for a boardwalk in congeriteville to appease the locals there...what are the expected returns of the investment in revenue produced by the boardwalk is the big question
maybe they can build Bird houses on the double poles!!!!!!!just what the taxpayers need!!!more droppings on our heads!!!!what a sight!!! town owls turning their heads 360degrees!!!chirping look at our main street!!!
Bradley Jensen February 13, 2013 at 02:30 pm
Clarkstown is getting very dirty. Everyone just pays their taxes and keeps their mouth shut. It really amazes me how people do not get involved. Look at the "artistic" town trash cans that look like Graffiti or the garbage piled on the sides of streets. For the amount of money that I pay in taxes, I would expect this area to look like Beverly Hills.
ALW February 13, 2013 at 03:28 pm
Enforcement of ANY law in Clarkstown is a joke. And, we have a "code enforcer" that makes that kind of salary? Amazing and totally disgraceful. I agree about the house of 304 next to Monterrey Gardens. It looks like a pig stye for all to see and has been like that for years. And, don't get me going on that disaster that is Main Street. Everytime I drive down that street, I keep trying to understand why this is being done. All the trees destroyed, especially the ones in front of St. Paul's - for what - street lamps? little islands? It is just disgraceful. Enforce the laws we have and maybe things can look like they were when people cared about where they lived.
Mike Hirsch February 13, 2013 at 04:44 pm
I think Millman's proposal is a great idea. Enact a local law and take care of the problem. That's the only way to deal with O&R, Verizon, and Cablevision. Alex, please get this done asap. Robert Moses would.
Mile ASAP to clownville..means mostly after they finish their critical duties....like lunch....dinner..coffee breaks!!!!!!!unless pictures lie or they are taken at bad angles...maybe clowntown can contact advertisers and use the backs of their clothes to hang advertising on!!!!now hows that for revenue enhancement!!!!!!
also a point...to show the bronx shoppers and all the other people visiting the mall...anyone ever thought of trying to clean up rt 59 and across from the mall????we all know it used to be a garbage dump...years ago..but isntit time to get to work and make it a bit more cleaner?all those empty buildings uncut grass is a disgrace...and yet they do the walk and talk as to making clowntown a destination...yeah right...maybe for hungry vultures looking for bits and pieces of food..I dont know what looks worse main street or rt 59 in west nyack?
R. Nite February 13, 2013 at 07:35 pm
I suggest you e-mail your complaints to the clarkstown highway department. They have always been very responsive to my complaints particularly about trash and derelict homes. Just complaining here will not get any response.
steve smith February 13, 2013 at 08:09 pm
who cares?
Robin Traum (Editor) February 13, 2013 at 09:56 pm
R. Nite It would probably be better to notify the town's Code & Zoning Code Enforcement officer about double or triple poles in your neighborhood to make sure they are on that list of 500 to 600 in Clarkstown.
THIS IS DIRECT TO millman and growmack..you talk about the streets not clean as in regards to your woody issue...how about this!!!! what if you townies had "a fee for every for sale sign posted either on the building or house or free standing..say 25.00 a month max.90 days...the real estate signs are eye pollution..and ready they dont add value...once a sign is there too long...it makes people wonder...why..also we are in the digital age..and most people today are extremely sophisticated.they can view a lot more properties.and then see whatever interests them..but lets clean up this overage of signage..it isnt pretty...whenI drive I often see multiple signs on the same buldings..it looks more a sign of desperation if anything..so I gave you a new source of money IE..monthly fees and if you guys man up maybe the area will be clean of too many sings as you only limit one per property..NOW before all the house fro's start to voice their objections..I am in the field with close to 85 Million dollars in transactions..and I may just know what works...
Clarkstown life February 14, 2013 at 12:45 am
7 out of 16 comments are yours howie.......are you talking to yourself?
Ken McQuade February 14, 2013 at 01:12 am
Double wood do you think Verizon gives a rats behind about double wood? They dont
care about the wires above or the trucks in the garage or the Central office building in everytown. If they could market Fios over their wireless network they would walk away from the old copper plant in a New York Minute.
Maureen February 14, 2013 at 01:24 am
Clarkstown Life used to have useful information and comments to make on these forums. But lately the comments have become lifeless and aimed at knocking others down. Sad to observe as I used to have a lot of respect for the insights that were formerly offered.
so lifer..what are you offering for added revenue?and I dont get paid 75,000 to answer phones.!!taxing signs that pollute our visuals is a bad idea? charging for extra garbage removal? wow...many houses have 2 families now extra garbage..maybe we should ask you to buy a sticker and attach it to yourself!!!!
lifer is no different than the mindset on maple ave...growmuck allows what 3 minutes for taxpayers to speak their viewpoints? that borders on lack of a democratic society....instead taxpayers should work countless hours to find the resources to pay thei abusive taxs yet dont say a word??welcome to "clowntown censorship"...we can give a "good ole boy" 75,000 a year for part timer phone work..that is sad at what 65.00 a hour to pick up a phone? thats over a $1.00 a minute..yet residents cant have more than 3 minutes..
I guess when you have a ship outta control doing cartwells always in circles..the captain has to act like in control..was reading about that cruise ship no water..no food...no bathrooms and it says the "stench" was unbearable...many residents can surely relate to the"stench similarities in clowntown........I at least have shown 2 possible revenue sources.. YET the lifer of clarkstown has to protect its good ole boys..this town is on a downward slope....no growth to speak of...drive around it anit looking that pretty...cut downmore trees add more metal benchs in the middle of street that has no reason for anyone to sit and look at what?empty stores!!!
VinnyfromCongers February 15, 2013 at 12:01 am
I had a double wood once.

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